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Tim S Kemp 11 April 2005 02:26:34
	Well, the 75 is a good car, like it or not, and the atguments are mostly opinions. The TF is also a good car, less girly than the F it's derived from. The ZR / 25 is old, but capable and in MG form is still popular. The ZS/45 is better than it deserves to be but needs a thorough reshell and new interior (anyone else see the BTCC today??) So what we need now is for someone with deep pockets and a good small and medium car platform to take it over - don't like the idea of the Chinese doing it, needs to be someone used to making a diverse range of cars for the european market. VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb, keep the MG TF as is, keep the KV6 engines but stick the FSI into everything four cylinder. Problem solved. And yes, I'd love a long wheelbase 75 W8 or W12 with rear drive, and a ZT version. Of course, chances are non existent, especially as BMW probably have a clause preventing takeover by a german company. It's a shame Honda never took them when they could. -- We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom!
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SteveH 11 April 2005 02:30:13 [ permanent link ]
	Tim S Kemp <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote: Well, the 75 is a good car, like it or not, and the atguments are mostly> opinions. The TF is also a good car, less girly than the F it's derived> from. The ZR / 25 is old, but capable and in MG form is still popular. The> ZS/45 is better than it deserves to be but needs a thorough reshell and new> interior (anyone else see the BTCC today??) Agreed, in fact I've just been talking to Ashtrayvanman along those lines. The 75 Coupe concept looks lovely, and would be fantastic as an MG ZT-260 Coupe. So what we need now is for someone with deep pockets and a good small and> medium car platform to take it over - don't like the idea of the Chinese> doing it, needs to be someone used to making a diverse range of cars for the> european market. VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new> 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb, keep the> MG TF as is, keep the KV6 engines but stick the FSI into everything four> cylinder. Problem solved. And yes, I'd love a long wheelbase 75 W8 or W12> with rear drive, and a ZT version. Nah, I wouldn't want yet another variation on VAG products. Much as I like my Passat, I'd hate to see the next 75 just being a rebadged VW platform. Of course, chances are non existent, especially as BMW probably have a> clause preventing takeover by a german company.> It's a shame Honda never took them when they could. Blame a corrupt government - they sold Rover to BAe rather than Honda at the time. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Sor 11 April 2005 04:02:48 [ permanent link ]
	<uk.rec.cars.misc , Tim S Kemp , news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> <tI2dnd8RE46BNcTfRVn-1A@karoo.co.uk> <Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:26:34 +0100> Well, the 75 is a good car, like it or not, and the atguments are mostly > opinions. The TF is also a good car, less girly than the F it's derived > from. The ZR / 25 is old, but capable and in MG form is still popular. The > ZS/45 is better than it deserves to be but needs a thorough reshell and new > interior (anyone else see the BTCC today??)> So what we need now is for someone with deep pockets> You forgot to mention that certain someone would need to have the desire to have empty pockets . Doom and gloom -- www.sparesorrepair.co.uk (buy or sell mot failures , spares , or cars with a mot)
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Adrian 11 April 2005 10:27:39 [ permanent link ]
	Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new > 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb Woo. Just what the world needs. Yet Another badge on the Polo/Golf/Passat.
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Tim S Kemp 11 April 2005 11:12:09 [ permanent link ]
	Adrian wrote:> Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much> like they were saying :> VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new>> 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb> Woo. Just what the world needs. Yet Another badge on the> Polo/Golf/Passat. Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it! If Rover is allowed to keep its identity and just has to use the parts bin it could be done quite well - the Bentley is a parts bin car and no worse off for it. As are the Seats. -- We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom!
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Adrian 11 April 2005 11:35:40 [ permanent link ]
	Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new>>> 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb Woo. Just what the world needs. Yet Another badge on the>> Polo/Golf/Passat. Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it! Is it? "again" definitely isn't the case, though - the previous Passat put the motor N-S, rather than E-W like the Golf's always been. Any 'pan differences would have been fairly minimal after those mods. If Rover is allowed to keep its identity and just has to use the parts> bin it could be done quite well - the Bentley is a parts bin car and> no worse off for it Mmwmwmwmwmwmwmw... <indecisive sound, btw - it'd be nice to be in a position to comment properly> But, much as I like the fact the Beckham-Conti exists, it's not a patch on the Alan Clark-Conti or the real Conti. You could quite easily argue that Bentleys have been "parts bin" cars since the war, anyway. As are the Seats. Yebbut, Seats have always been rebadges - first Fiat, now VW. The few "original" cars they made in the middle were dire.
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Fishman 11 April 2005 11:48:51 [ permanent link ]
	Did you know... The division of the MG Rover company that is making that crazy Xpower SV is financially ringfenced and therefore safe from the collapse of the volume car production business, so we may well see that in production (if it isn't already - I heard they sold 50 of them so far). What would I do if I could own MG Rover? Get rid of Rover, leave only MG. The Cityrover, 25 and 45, ZS and ZT should be dropped, leaving the ZT, ZT-T and the MGF (plus put the the 200bhp tin top MGTF concept into production plus a more hardcore convertible one with the same 200bhp V6 engine). Get Lotus to fettle the handling of the TF and tintop perhaps, or release a really fast stripped-out lightweight model in the vein of Porsche 911 GT3, Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale etc. The ZT V8s should start off with cheaper trim levels and made even more "muscle car" at the top of the range by adding a supercharged variant with a huge power bulge! Buy in a really powerful diesel engine like the Jaguar twin turbo V6 diesel (though jag would probably block that as it'd harm X-type?) and also fit that to the ZT. The slower ZT models can stay in production for people who want the looks but can't afford the performance. The ZT is actually based on the old BMW 5 series chassis which is why it was easy to make rear wheel drive and why it reportedly handles so well. A GT coupe and convertible could perhaps be developed off this chassis as well, to compete with the Volvo C70 type cars. MG would be a pure sports brand rather than having the grandad Rover equivalents drag its image down it could go in totally unique directions. Eventually, develop a fantastic hot hatch from the ground up.
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SteveH 11 April 2005 11:55:37 [ permanent link ]
	Tim S Kemp <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote: Adrian wrote:> > Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much> > like they were saying :> > VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new> >> 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb> > Woo. Just what the world needs. Yet Another badge on the> > Polo/Golf/Passat.> Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it! It's gone back to a transverse engine - think it's a new floorpan, though. However, it now means no proper quattro (the 4wd will use Haldex) and I think it'll be impossible to make something quite as mad as the W8 with the new one. <fx: goes back to monitoring W8 prices> -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Adrian 11 April 2005 11:59:35 [ permanent link ]
	fishman (SPAMMEIFYOULIKEBUTIWONTREADIT@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : The division of the MG Rover company that is making that crazy Xpower> SV is financially ringfenced and therefore safe from the collapse of> the volume car production business, so we may well see that in> production (if it isn't already - I heard they sold 50 of them so far). I saw one on the Marylebone Road a few months ago.
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Adrian 11 April 2005 12:00:20 [ permanent link ]
	fishman (SPAMMEIFYOULIKEBUTIWONTREADIT@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Buy in a really powerful diesel engine like> the Jaguar twin turbo V6 diesel (though jag would probably block that> as it'd harm X-type?) Bear in mind it's a PSA/Ford joint venture engine...
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Adrian 11 April 2005 12:01:08 [ permanent link ]
	SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : think it'll be impossible to make something quite as mad as the W8 with> the new one. Didn't the W8 get dropped fairly sharpish, anyway? I've seen a couple round here, though.
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DanTXD 11 April 2005 14:07:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96355B9C58C73adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...> fishman (SPAMMEIFYOULIKEBUTIWONTREADIT@gmail.com) gurgled happily, > sounding> much like they were saying :> Buy in a really powerful diesel engine like>> the Jaguar twin turbo V6 diesel (though jag would probably block that>> as it'd harm X-type?)> Bear in mind it's a PSA/Ford joint venture engine... Supposed to be going in the 407 soon -- Dan
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Steve Walker 11 April 2005 14:14:05 [ permanent link ]
	In message <Xns9635576E31386adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> writes>Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much>like they were saying :> VW would be the best bet - new 25 on the polo platform, new>>>> 45 on the golf, new 75 from a re-shelled and ride enhanced superb> Woo. Just what the world needs. Yet Another badge on the>>> Polo/Golf/Passat.> Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it!> Is it?> "again" definitely isn't the case, though - the previous Passat put the>motor N-S, rather than E-W like the Golf's always been. Any 'pan>differences would have been fairly minimal after those mods. According to a review of the new one, the 1988-1996 model was transverse-engined, with torsion beam rear suspension. The new one likewise, except that the Golf rear suspension is now a multi-link arrangement. -- Steve Walker
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RichardK 11 April 2005 17:49:50 [ permanent link ]
	Steve Walker wrote: "again" definitely isn't the case, though - the previous Passat put the>> motor N-S, rather than E-W like the Golf's always been. Any 'pan>> differences would have been fairly minimal after those mods.> According to a review of the new one, the 1988-1996 model was > transverse-engined, with torsion beam rear suspension. The new one > likewise, except that the Golf rear suspension is now a multi-link > arrangement. The 1988 Passat (which I sadly know a bit about since my dad had a Topic GL5 and it was that model that made him go elsewhere for a new car) is based on the Mk II Golf, but with passive rear steer, and I think the platform was developed in parallel with the Corrado version and subsequent Golf. Then the current (last?) model is A4 based, and then the new one is a Golf (Skoda?) again, as is the new Golf Coupe-Cabriolet abortion that kills off the Beetle Cabrio in 2006. Richard -- RichardK - 1980s in a can. http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/music/ Retro computing - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/retrotech/ Cars - 2004 Beetle Cabrio, 1989 Supra 3.0i, 1990 Sera MidiGuitar, Enterprise 128, AU/X. Apple 77-04. See links ;)
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Tim S Kemp 11 April 2005 19:59:09 [ permanent link ]
	Adrian wrote:>> Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it!> Is it?> "again" definitely isn't the case, though - the previous Passat put> the motor N-S, rather than E-W like the Golf's always been. Any 'pan> differences would have been fairly minimal after those mods. The last few passats have, but if I remember rightly the early 90s ones were Golf platform Mmwmwmwmwmwmwmw... <indecisive sound, btw - it'd be nice to be in a> position to comment properly>> But, much as I like the fact the Beckham-Conti exists, it's not a> patch on the Alan Clark-Conti or the real Conti. You could quite> easily argue that Bentleys have been "parts bin" cars since the war,> anyway. Heh - Rolls Royce's parts bin isn't a bad place to be -- We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom!
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Pete M 11 April 2005 20:04:04 [ permanent link ]
	In news:LrKdncugTf5OA8ffRVn-vA@karoo.co.uk, Tim S Kemp <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows> Adrian wrote:>>> Heh - the new Passat is Golf platform again isn't it!>> Is it?>> "again" definitely isn't the case, though - the previous Passat put>> the motor N-S, rather than E-W like the Golf's always been. Any 'pan>> differences would have been fairly minimal after those mods.> The last few passats have, but if I remember rightly the early 90s> ones were Golf platform> Mmwmwmwmwmwmwmw... <indecisive sound, btw - it'd be nice to be in a>> position to comment properly>>> But, much as I like the fact the Beckham-Conti exists, it's not a>> patch on the Alan Clark-Conti or the real Conti. You could quite>> easily argue that Bentleys have been "parts bin" cars since the war,>> anyway.> Heh - Rolls Royce's parts bin isn't a bad place to be Bentleys aren't in Rolls Royce's parts bin anymore. Well, the new ones aren't. I want a Silver Spur when it comes out, I'm only Ј150k down on buying one... -- Pete M Mercedes 260E Ford Capri (ressurection started) "Never moon a werewolf" COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain
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Adrian 11 April 2005 20:14:25 [ permanent link ]
	DanTXD (dan405@SdanPontAherMun.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Buy in a really powerful diesel engine like>>> the Jaguar twin turbo V6 diesel (though jag would probably block that>>> as it'd harm X-type?) Bear in mind it's a PSA/Ford joint venture engine... Supposed to be going in the 407 soon Yep, but not the C5. The C6 will definitely have it.
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Andy Tucker 12 April 2005 00:15:11 [ permanent link ]
	Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns96355B9C58C73adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>...> fishman (SPAMMEIFYOULIKEBUTIWONTREADIT@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying :> Buy in a really powerful diesel engine like> > the Jaguar twin turbo V6 diesel (though jag would probably block that> > as it'd harm X-type?) > Bear in mind it's a PSA/Ford joint venture engine... The (very much) dominant partner in this particular engine was Ford. PSA had very little input, unlike the reverse situation of the 1.4/1.6 units. Andy
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¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤ 12 April 2005 13:11:13 [ permanent link ]
	SteveH wrote: The 75 Coupe concept looks lovely, and would be fantastic as an MG> ZT-260 Coupe. Still don't like the rear of the car though. With a restyled rear and a supercharged V8 it would make a great muscle car though.
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Dannomgf 10 August 2006 09:39:24 [ permanent link ]
	Does anyone know what alloys can fit my 1996 mgf (Not VVC) as i have attemted to fit tropy alloys and they are catching on the calipers and not only that but sending the car all over the road at 30+ mph even though the car has been tracked. I need to get some alloys that look good that will fit and handle well on this car. Can anyone please help?????
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