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LPG transfer pumps?
Jayc001 4 May 2005 15:00:51
	My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the nearest LPG station to fill her up. I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG bottles. This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle I would not be doing anything wrong. Anyideas where I can lay my hands on said pump?
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Austin Shackles 4 May 2005 17:21:59 [ permanent link ]
	On or around Wed, 04 May 2005 07:00:51 -0400, "jayc001" <saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> enlightened us thusly: My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the>nearest LPG station to fill her up.> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG>bottles.> This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each>weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle>I would not be doing anything wrong.> Anyideas where I can lay my hands on said pump? erm... one or another of the suppliers who posts here from time to time has 'em. The trick is in having the right adapters (for the bottle end, especially) and the correct high-pressure hoses (SWP needs to be about 15 bar, or thereabouts) -- Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
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Hugh 4 May 2005 20:14:41 [ permanent link ]
	In message <e7a812b2e1119e80b37dca284a57c1cf@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, jayc001 <saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> writes>My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the>nearest LPG station to fill her up.> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG>bottles.> This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each>weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle>I would not be doing anything wrong.> On a par with running on red diesel. If that's illegal on a boat then so is running on LPG on which you have not paid the correct level of duty. Of course there's actually no such thing as red LPG so how anyone would know you used it for engine fuel rather than say cooking or heating, I really don't know. -- hugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
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Peter Hill 4 May 2005 20:21:55 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 14:21:59 +0100, Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote: On or around Wed, 04 May 2005 07:00:51 -0400, "jayc001"><saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> enlightened us thusly:> My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the>>nearest LPG station to fill her up.>> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG>>bottles.>> This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each>>weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle>>I would not be doing anything wrong.>> Anyideas where I can lay my hands on said pump?> erm... one or another of the suppliers who posts here from time to time has>'em. The trick is in having the right adapters (for the bottle end,>especially) and the correct high-pressure hoses (SWP needs to be about 15>bar, or thereabouts) Can you use the vapour hose that is usually used to make pig tails that link several bottles to one regulator for liquid?
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Austin Shackles 4 May 2005 21:37:52 [ permanent link ]
	On or around Wed, 4 May 2005 17:14:41 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> enlightened us thusly: On a par with running on red diesel. If that's illegal on a boat then so >is running on LPG on which you have not paid the correct level of duty. >Of course there's actually no such thing as red LPG so how anyone would >know you used it for engine fuel rather than say cooking or heating, I >really don't know. I didn't think it was illegal to run red in a boat. AFAIK, the duty on the fuel is for road use. even so, you could always pay the duty on the 47Kg of gas. -- Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep." Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
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Austin Shackles 4 May 2005 21:41:05 [ permanent link ]
	On or around Wed, 04 May 2005 17:21:55 +0100, Peter Hill <peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> enlightened us thusly: On Wed, 04 May 2005 14:21:59 +0100, Austin Shackles><austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:> erm... one or another of the suppliers who posts here from time to time has>>'em. The trick is in having the right adapters (for the bottle end,>>especially) and the correct high-pressure hoses (SWP needs to be about 15>>bar, or thereabouts) > Can you use the vapour hose that is usually used to make pig tails>that link several bottles to one regulator for liquid? A vapour hose which runs at tank pressure will, I assume, have a suitable pressure rating. Of course, you want liquid gas, which means almost-inverting the bottle. It's a wise idea not to invert it completely; the bottles tend to accumulate crap in the bottom; if you put it upside down, the said crap ends up in your fuel system. somewhere around 45 degrees would probably work, so that the lowest point isn't by the valve. -- Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right is to be none the less free than you were before." Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16
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Hugh 5 May 2005 00:17:53 [ permanent link ]
	In message <u12i7152mhafvfnv0v11tvjuusfs27bk8f@4ax.com>, Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> writes>On or around Wed, 4 May 2005 17:14:41 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]>>enlightened us thusly:> On a par with running on red diesel. If that's illegal on a boat then so>>is running on LPG on which you have not paid the correct level of duty.>>Of course there's actually no such thing as red LPG so how anyone would>>know you used it for engine fuel rather than say cooking or heating, I>>really don't know.> I didn't think it was illegal to run red in a boat. AFAIK, the duty on the>fuel is for road use.> Dunno - but I assumed the OP would. -- hugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
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Dave Griffs 5 May 2005 00:29:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message> I didn't think it was illegal to run red in a boat. AFAIK, the duty on the fuel is for road use. Not illegal at the moment, but may be set to change http://www.ybw.com/mbm/redalert/
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SimonJ 5 May 2005 03:41:28 [ permanent link ]
	My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to nearest LPG station to fill her up.> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG> bottles.> This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each> weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle> I would not be doing anything wrong.> Anyideas where I can lay my hands on said pump?> Why not simply use liquid offtake bottles directly on the boat?
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Peter Hill 5 May 2005 04:09:26 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 07:00:51 -0400, "jayc001" <saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> wrote: My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the>nearest LPG station to fill her up.> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG>bottles.> This would make sense to me as I could have one delivered to me each>weekend and just pump that into the boat. Surely as its not a road vehicle>I would not be doing anything wrong.> Anyideas where I can lay my hands on said pump? Have to shop around to get 47Kg (94L) cylinder of propane cheaper than autogas. It's seems it's very easy to get ripped off. April UK average price was 39.1p/L, supermarkets was 34.5p/L At 40p/L car LPG will be ВЈ37.60, at 35p/L it will be ВЈ32.90. 47Kg Refils on the web seem to be around ВЈ40-ВЈ50 (no they haven't stuck the ВЈ15 bottle rent on the price). ВЈ66.57 rip U off co uk http://www.adamsgas.co.uk/Products.aspx?id=82&CatId=83 ВЈ48.75 (extortion of boaters R us) http://www.selby-boat-centre.co.uk/servicestation.php?service=gas ВЈ45 http://www.flogas.co.uk/main/protected/catalogue/list_products.serv?hier_alias=urn:flogas.com:hierarchy/products These are cheaper. ВЈ32.55 http://www.industrial-supplies.org.uk/calor_gas_bottles/47kg_propane_gas_bottles.htm ВЈ35 http://www.ekmpowershop.com/ekmps/shops/veligandu2001/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=291 (but at ВЈ25 make sure you have a bottle to exchange) Unless you have a bulk tank it's possibly cheaper to fill the car and then transfer it to the boat or a cylinder. That's why some people with LPG campers have a vapour off take for the fridge and stove.
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Jayc001 5 May 2005 11:58:00 [ permanent link ]
	I'm not trying to save money here I just don't want to have to tow the boat on an hour trip to fill her up each day. There is a propane supplier in my village who delivers gas for my BBQ so I'd get him to drop off a 47KG bottle. Running off bottles with liquid take off is not an option as the boat is only 20ft and no where to put them. I'm sure its perfectly legal for use in a boat as I can fill up legally for 23P a litre at a lake close by (but thats still an hour round trip) and in the harbour by me you can get red diesel for boats too (they used to have LPG a few years back). If anyone has the details for the guy on here who has them that would be great. Jay
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Jayc001 5 May 2005 20:09:25 [ permanent link ]
	I'm not trying to save money here I just don't want to have to tow the boat on an hour trip to fill her up each day. There is a propane supplier in my village who delivers gas for my BBQ so I'd get him to drop off a 47KG bottle. Running off bottles with liquid take off is not an option as the boat is only 20ft and no where to put them. I'm sure its perfectly legal for use in a boat as I can fill up legally for 23P a litre at a lake close by (but thats still an hour round trip) and in the harbour by me you can get red diesel for boats too (they used to have LPG a few years back). If anyone has the details for the guy on here who has them that would be great. Jay
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Hugh 5 May 2005 22:13:16 [ permanent link ]
	In message <a65f8287e9a6326d73a8c7222c8bc02e@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, jayc001 <saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> writes>I'm not trying to save money here I just don't want to have to tow the boat>on an hour trip to fill her up each day.>There is a propane supplier in my village who delivers gas for my BBQ so>I'd get him to drop off a 47KG bottle.> Running off bottles with liquid take off is not an option as the boat is>only 20ft and no where to put them.> I'm sure its perfectly legal for use in a boat as I can fill up legally>for 23P a litre at a lake close by (but thats still an hour round trip)>and in the harbour by me you can get red diesel for boats too (they used>to have LPG a few years back).> If anyone has the details for the guy on here who has them that would be>great.> As long as you pay the same rate of duty as you do when you fill up at your normal filling point you are OK. I don't know of any regulation to prevent you pumping the gas from a bottle into the tank on your boat. -- hugh
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Steve Firth 7 May 2005 01:03:56 [ permanent link ]
	jayc001 <saltwater_cowboy@msn.com> wrote: My boat runs on LPG and I'm getting fed up running it back and forth to the> nearest LPG station to fill her up.> I have seen websites where people said you can pump LPG from 47KG> bottles. Surely a more sensible solution would be to get one of the refillable gas bottles used for forklift trucks (and similar) that can be demounted, taken to the filling station and filled (this is legal if the tank has an 80% shutoff valve). Gaslow sell bottles but I think they are vapour take off only. There's a Belgian company that sells liquid takeoff bottles. -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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Steve Firth 7 May 2005 01:03:56 [ permanent link ]
	hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote: On a par with running on red diesel. If that's illegal on a boat then so> is running on LPG Boats are permitted to use red diesel. -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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Jayc001 9 May 2005 13:26:37 [ permanent link ]
	The boat uses 80L or so in a day which is not far off the weight of a 47LG cylinder. Not what I would call portable. Well not something I want to put in and out the boot of my car.
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Atec 9 May 2005 14:57:27 [ permanent link ]
	jayc001 wrote:> The boat uses 80L or so in a day which is not far off the weight of a 47LG> cylinder.> Not what I would call portable. Well not something I want to put in and> out the boot of my car.> Wuss:_)
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steve 14 October 2006 17:39:23 [ permanent link ]
	Hi if you have not sourced an lpg transfer pump yet let me know as I produce them at a reasonable price either hand or electric,regards.
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Guest 11 December 2006 18:10:58 [ permanent link ]
	Steve Can you give me some details of your transfer pumps etc ? pdbulmer@hotmail.com
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steve 7 July 2008 20:42:43 [ permanent link ]
	hi i produce hand or electric lpg transfer pumps for more info ring me regards steve.07949599606.
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