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M Wrench 12 April 2005 20:59:21
	OLD ROVER ----------- Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year And driven the roads without any fear The old firm has been passed from pillar to post And now they've decided to give up the ghost Chorus: And its no more Rover, no nay never no more Cos the Chinese don't want it, so they're closin' the door. I went to a garage I use to frequent And there I was told all the spares had been sent Out to the Owner Club's secret'ry There to be stored for an emergency And its no more Rover .... I now drive an Audi through country and town It's stylish and comfy and never breaks down Killed by old methods and bad management That's where the British car industry went ... And its no more Rover .... Poor Rover is dying and we're all to blame And the cars in the car park they all look the same The once great company has been brought to its knees Cos when we changed our cars we all bought Japanese And its no more Rover .... Rover is sharing British industries' fate Just like "Great Britain" it's no longer great Imported or out-sourced it's all in decline And finally Rover has also called "time" And its no more Rover .... British Leyland and Morris were names that I knew They've disappeared and now Rover will too Ashes to ashes and rust unto rust Just like our country it's turning to dust
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Keith Lawrence 12 April 2005 23:35:27 [ permanent link ]
	"M Wrench" <me@privacy.net> wrote... Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year... ROFLMAO! Sheer brilliance K
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Chris Morriss 12 April 2005 23:58:08 [ permanent link ]
	In message <d3h1d8$93o$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, M Wrench <me@privacy.net> writes>OLD ROVER>-----------> Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year>And driven the roads without any fear>The old firm has been passed from pillar to post>And now they've decided to give up the ghost> Chorus:>And its no more Rover, no nay never no more>Cos the Chinese don't want it, so they're closin' the door.> I went to a garage I use to frequent>And there I was told all the spares had been sent>Out to the Owner Club's secret'ry>There to be stored for an emergency> And its no more Rover ....> I now drive an Audi through country and town>It's stylish and comfy and never breaks down>Killed by old methods and bad management>That's where the British car industry went ...> And its no more Rover ....> Poor Rover is dying and we're all to blame>And the cars in the car park they all look the same>The once great company has been brought to its knees>Cos when we changed our cars we all bought Japanese> And its no more Rover ....> Rover is sharing British industries' fate>Just like "Great Britain" it's no longer great>Imported or out-sourced it's all in decline>And finally Rover has also called "time"> And its no more Rover ....> British Leyland and Morris were names that I knew>They've disappeared and now Rover will too>Ashes to ashes and rust unto rust>Just like our country it's turning to dust> Reminds me of the pastiche... I drove a Landrover for many a year And I spent all my money on petrol and gear. But now I'm returning with gold in great store and I'll drive a Landrover, no never no more etc... I went to a garage I used to frequent and I said to the owner, 'my chassis is bent'. I asked for a new one, he answered me nay saying 'cretins like you come in here every day' (can't remember any more) -- Chris Morriss
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Mike G 13 April 2005 01:31:57 [ permanent link ]
	"M Wrench" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:d3h1d8$93o$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...> OLD ROVER> -----------> Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year> And driven the roads without any fear> The old firm has been passed from pillar to post> And now they've decided to give up the ghost> Chorus:> And its no more Rover, no nay never no more> Cos the Chinese don't want it, so they're closin' the door.> I went to a garage I use to frequent> And there I was told all the spares had been sent> Out to the Owner Club's secret'ry> There to be stored for an emergency> And its no more Rover ....> I now drive an Audi through country and town> It's stylish and comfy and never breaks down> Killed by old methods and bad management> That's where the British car industry went ...> And its no more Rover ....> Poor Rover is dying and we're all to blame> And the cars in the car park they all look the same> The once great company has been brought to its knees> Cos when we changed our cars we all bought Japanese> And its no more Rover ....> Rover is sharing British industries' fate> Just like "Great Britain" it's no longer great> Imported or out-sourced it's all in decline> And finally Rover has also called "time"> And its no more Rover ....> British Leyland and Morris were names that I knew> They've disappeared and now Rover will too> Ashes to ashes and rust unto rust> Just like our country it's turning to dust Can we all have a go? Comes a Rover, struggling struggling, trying hard to breast the rise. Sits the driver after guzzling, looking out with bleary eyes. Comes a rattle then a knocking, motor dies with weary wheeze. Now he's out, now he's under. Water dripping on his knees. Comes a copper searching searching, scrutinise from front to rear. Stands the driver, lurching lurching, trying not to smell of beer. There's quite a bit more, but I wont bore you with the rest. Fact is I don't know if I can remember it all. It was a very early effort at humorous verse. Mike.
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Set Square 13 April 2005 15:08:06 [ permanent link ]
	In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Mike G <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote: Can we all have a go?> Comes a Rover, struggling struggling,> trying hard to breast the rise.> Sits the driver after guzzling,> looking out with bleary eyes.> Comes a rattle then a knocking,> motor dies with weary wheeze.> Now he's out, now he's under.> Water dripping on his knees.> Comes a copper searching searching,> scrutinise from front to rear.> Stands the driver, lurching lurching,> trying not to smell of beer.> There's quite a bit more, but I wont bore you with the rest.> Fact is I don't know if I can remember it all. It was a very early> effort at humorous verse.> Mike. Except that it has little to do with Rover per se - you could substitute any two syllable car make for Rover* in the first line without any detriment to the sentiment. * e.g. Honda, Audi, Citroen, Renault, Vauxhall, Bentley, etc., etc. -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
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Adrian 13 April 2005 15:21:49 [ permanent link ]
	Set Square (diy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : you could substitute any two syllable car make for Rover* > * e.g. Citroen Unless you're French, in which case it's three syllables. Cee-troy-enn
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Set Square 13 April 2005 16:27:59 [ permanent link ]
	In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote: Set Square (diy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they> were saying :> you could substitute any two syllable car make for Rover>> e.g. Citroen> Unless you're French, in which case it's three syllables.> Cee-troy-enn If you translate the whole thing into French, you'll probably have to change a lot of other things to make it scan! <g> -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
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Gazzafield 13 April 2005 18:37:16 [ permanent link ]
	Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg 214 that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out of the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red. Luckily I caught it in time but with Rover K series cylinder heads the way they are I could never trust that car again and quickly sold it on.
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Howard Lambourne 13 April 2005 18:55:19 [ permanent link ]
	I too had a 214 'H' reg, two things went wrong ...1, gear linkage broke and 2, flywheel censor got crudded up apart from that agood car....now I have a Pug, the A/C went on it I got rattles in the dash and door sometimes it wont go into reverse...The Rover was Better car , dont knock them...oh hang on we've got to knock them it is a British company. "gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug@nospam.says_I.ko> wrote in message newsIOdnRDHtp7Cs8DfRVnyhQ@pipex.net...> Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should > have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg > 214 that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out > of the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red.> Luckily I caught it in time but with Rover K series cylinder heads the way > they are I could never trust that car again and quickly sold it on.>
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Conor Turton 13 April 2005 20:45:07 [ permanent link ]
	In article <DIOdnRDHtp7Cs8DfRVnyhQ@pipex.net>, gazzafield says...> Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should > have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg 214 > that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out of > the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red.> Got the Honda engined 600 series here. Would have another. Also had a J reg Rover 420 and passed that onto my brother. Does Hull to Pontefract and back 5 days a week without issue. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne.
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Adam H 13 April 2005 20:48:07 [ permanent link ]
	Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should> have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out of> the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red.> Luckily I caught it in time but with Rover K series cylinder heads the way> they are I could never trust that car again and quickly sold it on. And I was luckier still as I've never bought one as I worked with them (as a supplier) and have had Rover hire cars and have been to Longbridge numerous times. (Cowley as well, in it's Rover 800 days) Shame really, another fine British co. bites the dust, especially as other automotives continue to turn out award-winning cars with non-British/European badges. It is possible to make cars AND a profit, but Rover's heritige is also it's downfall as you'll find as many inflexible, unwilling 'jobsworths' in Longbridge alone as Derby, Halewood, Washington, Genk, Saarlouis and Pamplona. Based on my experience of these places. The next car I'll buy? Actually it is made in Japan and imported here, so it must be possible to make cars efficiently with high labour costs.... Let the flaming begin........! Adam H
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Mogweed 13 April 2005 21:37:26 [ permanent link ]
	"gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug@nospam.says_I.ko> wrote in message newsIOdnRDHtp7Cs8DfRVnyhQ@pipex.net...> Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should > have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg > 214 that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out > of the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red.> Luckily I caught it in time but with Rover K series cylinder heads the way > they are I could never trust that car again and quickly sold it on.> I had an E-reg Rover 800 series Sterling 2.7 Auto and it was excellent. Bought it at 65k and sold it at 147k, only ever doing routine servicing, tyres etc., but no problems at all. In fact, it was so good that I went on to get another one and that was equally as good. Mogweed.
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Mike G 13 April 2005 22:11:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Set Square" <diy@privacy.net> wrote in message news:3c4csjF6h1pjrU1@individual.net...> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,> Mike G <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote:> Can we all have a go?> > Comes a Rover, struggling struggling,> > trying hard to breast the rise.> > Sits the driver after guzzling,> > looking out with bleary eyes.> > Comes a rattle then a knocking,> > motor dies with weary wheeze.> > Now he's out, now he's under.> > Water dripping on his knees.> > Comes a copper searching searching,> > scrutinise from front to rear.> > Stands the driver, lurching lurching,> > trying not to smell of beer.> > There's quite a bit more, but I wont bore you with the rest.> > Fact is I don't know if I can remember it all. It was a very early> > effort at humorous verse.> > Mike.> Except that it has little to do with Rover per se - you could substitute> any two syllable car make for Rover* in the first line without any detriment> to the sentiment. Agreed, but I thaught it quite appropriate for the urd n/g. Mike.
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Chris Bolus 13 April 2005 22:50:19 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:37:16 +0100, "gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug@nospam.says_I.ko> wrote: Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should >have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg 214 No, I'm on my second 218 (albeit with a few years between) and it's proved to be an economical, reliable runabout. I like the old 200 series; never did like the "bubble" replacement though. -- Regards, Chris (Please take out my car to reply by email) ----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate--- ---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor-- -1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri ******** Please don't email in HTML! ********
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Guy King 13 April 2005 23:33:39 [ permanent link ]
	The message <DIOdnRDHtp7Cs8DfRVnyhQ@pipex.net> from "gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug@nospam.says_I.ko> contains these words: Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish They weren't rubbish, just a little dated and suffering from a lack of investment. -- Skipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark.
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Guy King 13 April 2005 23:34:48 [ permanent link ]
	The message <9fqq511ki7duvla8pjqq8649mofjj4us6q@4ax.com> from Chris Bolus <chris@FARINAb0lus.com> contains these words: No, I'm on my second 218 (albeit with a few years between) and it's> proved to be an economical, reliable runabout. I like the old 200> series; never did like the "bubble" replacement though. My elderly Montego estate's still trundling about quite happily. In an era of cars you can't fix yourself it has a lot to commend it. -- Skipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark.
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Johannes 14 April 2005 01:06:01 [ permanent link ]
	gazzafield wrote:> Anyone else think that their cars were rubbish and that the company should> have been put out of it's misery a long, long time ago? I had a 'K' Reg 214> that was a great little car until the temp sensor for the fan fell out of> the radiator causing the temp gauge to shoot into the red.> Luckily I caught it in time but with Rover K series cylinder heads the way> they are I could never trust that car again and quickly sold it on. The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG ZT in position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100 cars. In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position 59 and - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!
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Guy King 14 April 2005 11:22:59 [ permanent link ]
	The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com> from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words: The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG ZT in> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100 cars. In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position 59 and> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there! And Fiats and Peugeots well down low. -- Skipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark.
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Scott 14 April 2005 12:46:35 [ permanent link ]
	"Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:3130303034323739425E286355@zetnet.co.uk...> The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com>> from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words:> The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG ZT >> in>> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100 >> cars.> In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position 59 >> and>> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!> And Fiats and Peugeots well down low. Is that a surprise?
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Johannes 14 April 2005 13:29:02 [ permanent link ]
	Scott wrote:> "Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message> news:3130303034323739425E286355@zetnet.co.uk...> > The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com>> > from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words:> > The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG ZT> >> in> >> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100> >> cars.> > In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position 59> >> and> >> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!> > And Fiats and Peugeots well down low.> Is that a surprise? A Class in position 97, now that's a surprise. Everything was rubbish except it's practicality. The complete opposite of what you would expect.
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Scott 14 April 2005 15:51:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Johannes" <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> wrote in message news:425E37D5.639EC93B@spamblocksizefitter.com...> Scott wrote:>> "Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message>> news:3130303034323739425E286355@zetnet.co.uk...>> > The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com>>> > from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words:>> > The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG >> >> ZT>> >> in>> >> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100>> >> cars.>> > In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position >> >> 59>> >> and>> >> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!>> > And Fiats and Peugeots well down low.>> Is that a surprise?> A Class in position 97, now that's a surprise. Everything was rubbish> except it's practicality. The complete opposite of what you would expect. Very true - although never having had one I cannot comment. German cars on the whole did very badly in that survey. I do question it though, as skoda did very well - isn't that a rebaged VW? The problem with subjective based tests is the level of expecation that people have. People will expect a lot from a Audi but less than from a Skoda - hence the skoda does better in the test even though they are broadly the same car. Ok price does come into it, but I bought my VW (and paid the bit extra) knowing that it will depreciate less fast than the Seat not because I thought I was getting a better car by buying a VW. I also prefered the shape. As an ex 214 owner on a P plate - all I can say was that the build was crap with speakers coming loose etc quite early on, and the head gasket went at 24k and 50k miles. There does appear to be a problem with them judging by what everyone says about them - and the garage I sold it too looked staight at the block to see if headwork had been done before looking at anything else! My dad had a 75 (W plate), he kept it for 2 years, under powered, thirsy, (he had the 2ltr V6) and every panel was out of alignment! S
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Johannes 14 April 2005 19:37:08 [ permanent link ]
	Scott wrote:> "Johannes" <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> wrote in message> news:425E37D5.639EC93B@spamblocksizefitter.com...> > Scott wrote:> >> "Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message> >> news:3130303034323739425E286355@zetnet.co.uk...> >> > The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com>> >> > from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words:> >> > The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG> >> >> ZT> >> >> in> >> >> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100> >> >> cars.> >> > In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position> >> >> 59> >> >> and> >> >> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!> >> > And Fiats and Peugeots well down low.> >> Is that a surprise?> > A Class in position 97, now that's a surprise. Everything was rubbish> > except it's practicality. The complete opposite of what you would expect.> Very true - although never having had one I cannot comment.> German cars on the whole did very badly in that survey. I do question it> though, as skoda did very well - isn't that a rebaged VW? The problem with> subjective based tests is the level of expecation that people have. The Skoda owners were very happy with the dealer network; shows that a car is more than a set of wheels. Cars are also nicely finished and well priced. Still, it might be a slight problem when picking a lady up on a date in a Skoda... You would have to stick something over those Skoda badges
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M Wrench 14 April 2005 20:36:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Keith Lawrence" <false@nospam.com> wrote in message news:425c2300$0$38037$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...> "M Wrench" <me@privacy.net> wrote...> Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year...> ROFLMAO! Sheer brilliance > Also from my inbox, but less good: FIRM CALLED ROVER ------------------- They're doing over a firm called Rover That nearly closed down before Chinese won't buy it, Labour deny it New working methods? Staff wouldn't try it No use complaining, it's not remaining This time closing its doors. They're doing over a firm called Rover That nearly closed down before. ~Mike~
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Chris Bolus 14 April 2005 21:07:00 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:29:02 GMT, Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> wrote: Scott wrote:>> "Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message>> news:3130303034323739425E286355@zetnet.co.uk...>> > The message <425D8A24.F527D3AB@spamblocksizefitter.com>>> > from Johannes <johs@spamblocksizefitter.com> contains these words:>> > The Auto Express 'Driver Power 2005' driver satisfaction survey had MG ZT>> >> in>> >> position 15, MG ZS in position 25, Rover75 in position 35 out of 100>> >> cars.>> > In comparison, Ford Mondeo came in position 52, VW Passat in position 59>> >> and>> >> - wait for it - Vauxhall Vectra in position 67. So there!>> > And Fiats and Peugeots well down low.>> Is that a surprise?> A Class in position 97, now that's a surprise. Everything was rubbish>except it's practicality. The complete opposite of what you would expect. Actually from what I'm told most Mercs after the W124 are no better than any other car. -- Regards, Chris (Please take out my car to reply by email) ----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate--- ---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor-- -1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri ******** Please don't email in HTML! ********
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RichardK 14 April 2005 21:36:20 [ permanent link ]
	Chris Bolus wrote: A Class in position 97, now that's a surprise. Everything was rubbish>>except it's practicality. The complete opposite of what you would expect.> Actually from what I'm told most Mercs after the W124 are no better than> any other car. That's just not true. They're often considerably worse. Richard -- RichardK - 1980s in a can. http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/music/ Retro computing - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/retrotech/ Cars - 2004 Beetle Cabrio, 1989 Supra 3.0i, 1990 Sera MidiGuitar, Enterprise 128, AU/X. Apple 77-04. See links ;)
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Icedog 17 April 2005 19:24:48 [ permanent link ]
	"M Wrench" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:d3h1d8$93o$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...> OLD ROVER> -----------> Now I've owned an old Rover for many a year> And driven the roads without any fear> The old firm has been passed from pillar to post> And now they've decided to give up the ghost> Chorus:> And its no more Rover, no nay never no more> Cos the Chinese don't want it, so they're closin' the door.> I went to a garage I use to frequent> And there I was told all the spares had been sent> Out to the Owner Club's secret'ry> There to be stored for an emergency> And its no more Rover ....> I now drive an Audi through country and town> It's stylish and comfy and never breaks down> Killed by old methods and bad management> That's where the British car industry went ...> And its no more Rover ....> Poor Rover is dying and we're all to blame> And the cars in the car park they all look the same> The once great company has been brought to its knees> Cos when we changed our cars we all bought Japanese> And its no more Rover ....> Rover is sharing British industries' fate> Just like "Great Britain" it's no longer great> Imported or out-sourced it's all in decline> And finally Rover has also called "time"> And its no more Rover ....> British Leyland and Morris were names that I knew> They've disappeared and now Rover will too> Ashes to ashes and rust unto rust> Just like our country it's turning to dust> Icedog continued. They tell us they won't honour warranties new. If you buy a shite MG you'll just have to stew. The same goes for Rovers, so if it breaks down Best buy new knickers 'cos yours will go brown And its no more Rover.... R.I.P.
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Dave Plowman 17 April 2005 19:43:32 [ permanent link ]
	In article <d3m62s$38h$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, M Wrench <me@privacy.net> wrote:> They're doing over a firm called Rover> That nearly closed down before> Chinese won't buy it, Labour deny it> New working methods? Staff wouldn't try it> No use complaining, it's not remaining> This time closing its doors.> They're doing over a firm called Rover> That nearly closed down before. As usual, some wanker blames the workforce. 'Nuff said. -- *Your kid may be an honours student, but you're still an idiot. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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R.N. Robinson 18 April 2005 19:44:17 [ permanent link ]
	"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message news:4d5d150796dave@davenoise.co.uk...> As usual, some wanker blames the workforce. 'Nuff said.> Dave, you probably know of the chap anyway, but I would recommend anyone interested in this sort of thing to put the name W. Edwards Deeming into Google and see what it comes up with. Ron Robinson
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R.N. Robinson 18 April 2005 20:02:49 [ permanent link ]
	"R.N. Robinson" <ronrob@frumiousbandersnatch.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:d40kkv$tc$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message > news:4d5d150796dave@davenoise.co.uk...>> As usual, some wanker blames the workforce. 'Nuff said.>> Dave, you probably know of the chap anyway, but I would recommend anyone > interested in this sort of thing to put the name W. Edwards Deeming into > Google and see what it comes up with.> Actually it works better if you spell his name right - only one 'e' Ron Robinson
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Brimstone 18 April 2005 20:32:46 [ permanent link ]
	R.N. Robinson wrote:> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message> news:4d5d150796dave@davenoise.co.uk...>> As usual, some wanker blames the workforce. 'Nuff said.>> Dave, you probably know of the chap anyway, but I would recommend> anyone interested in this sort of thing to put the name W. Edwards> Deeming into Google and see what it comes up with.> Do you mean W. Edwards Deming?
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