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CarGuru > Open discussion > Hill Holder Question 28 April 2005 15:30:02
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Hill Holder Question

Poster 28 April 2005 15:30:02
 Hi,
I'm curious to know. Let's say when I'm at the bottom of a hill, I start my
Forester in 1st gear and of course the hill holder will kick in to hold the
car until I release the clutch. However, when I depress the clutch again to
change to 2nd gear and I'm still climbing the hill, will the hill holder
kick in when depress the clutch?


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Mike 27 April 2005 04:15:53 [ permanent link ]
 No, beacuse you are not using the brakes.


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news:426ed694$0$230­37$9a6e19ea@unlimite­d.newshosting.com...­> Hi,> I'm curious to know. Let's say when I'm at the bottom of a hill, I start > my Forester in 1st gear and of course the hill holder will kick in to hold > the car until I release the clutch. However, when I depress the clutch > again to change to 2nd gear and I'm still climbing the hill, will the hill > holder kick in when depress the clutch?>
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H 27 April 2005 06:26:28 [ permanent link ]
 The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you applied
in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes
engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid
pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the
brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system with
the brake pedal.

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"Poster" <Poster@home.com> wrote in message
news:426ed694$0$230­37$9a6e19ea@unlimite­d.newshosting.com...­> Hi,> I'm curious to know. Let's say when I'm at the bottom of a hill, I start > my Forester in 1st gear and of course the hill holder will kick in to hold > the car until I release the clutch. However, when I depress the clutch > again to change to 2nd gear and I'm still climbing the hill, will the hill > holder kick in when depress the clutch?>
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Mark H 27 April 2005 15:29:50 [ permanent link ]
 
The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you applied> in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes> engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid> pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the> brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system with> the brake pedal.


So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?
If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of
lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding in the
clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?

-mark


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Sparky Polastri 27 April 2005 17:43:24 [ permanent link ]
 
"Mark H" <nukeleerATinternod­eDOTonDOTnetREMOVECA­PSAU> wrote in message
news:426f77b9$1@dus­ter.adelaide.on.net.­..>> The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you >> applied>> in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes>> engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid>> pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the>> brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system >> with>> the brake pedal.>
So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?> If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of> lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding in > the> clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?>
-mark>

The hill holder is sensitive to inclination of the vehicle.

See archives of this group, a link was posted that covered engineering of
the device in detail. Probably about 2 - 4 weeks ago.


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Mike 27 April 2005 18:06:40 [ permanent link ]
 Hill holder also need a minimum brake pressure.

"Mark H" <nukeleerATinternod­eDOTonDOTnetREMOVECA­PSAU> wrote in message
news:426f77b9$1@dus­ter.adelaide.on.net.­..>> The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you >> applied>> in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes>> engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid>> pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the>> brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system >> with>> the brake pedal.>
So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?> If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of> lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding in > the> clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?>
-mark>


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Fuzzy Logic 27 April 2005 21:59:44 [ permanent link ]
 "Sparky Polastri" <jafiwam@MuNGEDyaho­o.com> wrote in news:426f928a$1_3
@newspeer2.tds.net:­
"Mark H" <nukeleerATinternod­eDOTonDOTnetREMOVECA­PSAU> wrote in message > news:426f77b9$1@dus­ter.adelaide.on.net.­..>>> The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you >>> applied>>> in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes>>> engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid>>> pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the>>> brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system >>> with>>> the brake pedal.>>
So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?>> If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of>> lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding in >> the>> clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?>>
-mark>>
The hill holder is sensitive to inclination of the vehicle.>
See archives of this group, a link was posted that covered engineering of > the device in detail. Probably about 2 - 4 weeks ago.

Here you go:

http://www.drive.su­baru.com/Spr03_HillH­older.htm
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Wilco van Diest 28 April 2005 11:48:29 [ permanent link ]
 I'm just curious, where under the hood can I this this nifty piece of
technologie?
Near the proportion valve or brake-booster or ? (photo ? ;-)­ )

Wilco

"Fuzzy Logic" <bob@arc.ab.caREMOV­ETHIS> schreef in bericht
news:Xns96457A06E52­ECbobarcabca@198.161­.157.145...> "Sparky Polastri" <jafiwam@MuNGEDyaho­o.com> wrote in news:426f928a$1_3> @newspeer2.tds.net:­>
"Mark H" <nukeleerATinternod­eDOTonDOTnetREMOVECA­PSAU> wrote in message> > news:426f77b9$1@dus­ter.adelaide.on.net.­..> >>> The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you> >>> applied> >>> in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping
brakes> >>> engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the
brake-fluid> >>> pressure is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting
brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system> >>> with> >>> the brake pedal.> >>
So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?> >> If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of> >> lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding
clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?> >>
-mark> >>
The hill holder is sensitive to inclination of the vehicle.> >
See archives of this group, a link was posted that covered engineering
the device in detail. Probably about 2 - 4 weeks ago.>
Here you go:>
http://www.drive.su­baru.com/Spr03_HillH­older.htm


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Rob Munach 28 April 2005 15:00:44 [ permanent link ]
 Mark H wrote:>>The Hill Holder works by holding the brake-fluid pressure that you applied>>in the system as long as the clutch is held in , thereby keeping brakes>>engaged. The Hill Holder does not apply the brakes. Once the brake-fluid>>pressu­re is released, either by the Hill Holder valve or by letting the>>brake pedal up in normal situation, you must re-pressurize the system with>>the brake pedal.>
So why doesn't the same apply when you're rolling to a stop?> If I put the clutch in and select neutral when coming down to a set of> lights, apply brakes, and then release the brakes while still holding in the> clutch, why doesn't my car continue to brake? Safety feature?>
-mark>

Try rolling backwards down a hill and then touch and release the brakes.
They will stay engaged. The hill holder requires the nose of the vehicle
to be up.

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Excel Engineering
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Pheasant 28 April 2005 15:30:02 [ permanent link ]
 
"Poster" <Poster@home.com> wrote in message
news:426ed694$0$230­37$9a6e19ea@unlimite­d.newshosting.com...­> Hi,> I'm curious to know. Let's say when I'm at the bottom of a hill, I start > my Forester in 1st gear and of course the hill holder will kick in to hold > the car until I release the clutch. However, when I depress the clutch > again to change to 2nd gear and I'm still climbing the hill, will the hill > holder kick in when depress the clutch?


A Studebaker invention from the 50's!!!!

Still amazes me that only Subaru picked up on it. Replaced my 86 GL's last
summer, was leaking, thought about taking it out, but boy; they sure spoil
you when it comes to hills. :)­


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