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2005 Forester
Mn 10 April 2005 22:26:53
	Hello everyone- I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Mark
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Jim 10 April 2005 23:25:50 [ permanent link ]
	They are extremely reliable and rate high in owner satisfaction. You can be assured you will be making a wise purchase decision. It is not as if you are buying a General Motors vehicle that will depreciate quickly and more than likely have a host of reliability problems. They have the relibility and typical design expected from a good Japanese manufacturer. "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...> Hello everyone-> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. > Thanks in advance for your assistance.> Mark>
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Kls 11 April 2005 00:24:03 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote: I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing >about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some >advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in >general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to >2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. >If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. >Thanks in advance for your assistance. The other thing to consider is whether you want the 6-cyl turbo engine or just the regular 4-cyl; the turbo requires premium gas, but the 4-cyl runs fine on regular octane.
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DR. FAFOOFNlK 11 April 2005 01:48:23 [ permanent link ]
	"mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...> Hello everyone-> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.> Thanks in advance for your assistance.> Mark> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. I personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i get flamed in here for speaking my piece). If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run, however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no problems at all. Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles I see in print. I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los Angeles area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that have been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the streets. Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised to see they won't. (I wonder why that is Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will have some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them that should never happen and continue to occur. Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others or speaking the truth about Subaru in general...... So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's worth).
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Carl 1 Lucky Texan 11 April 2005 02:15:34 [ permanent link ]
	I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles, or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge problems or...or...or.... Carl DR. FAFOOFNlK wrote: "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...> Hello everyone->> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.>> Mark>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. I> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no> problems at all.> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles I> see in print.> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los Angeles> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that have> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the streets.> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised to> see they won't. (I wonder why that is > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will have> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them that> should never happen and continue to occur.> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others or> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's> worth).> -- to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)
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DR. FAFOOFNlK 11 April 2005 02:24:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" <alckytxn@swbell.not> wrote in message news:aAh6e.84$JJ2.40@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct> me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or> Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford> Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles,> or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil> and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge> problems or...or...or....> Carl> Yes Carl..I can! and your right..... Ford Taurus...bad transmission pump resulting in input shaft lockups Ford Taurus...Head gasket failure, resulting in oil leaks Ford Trucks...Cruise Control switch causing underhood fires Ford Truck (early 90's) Ignition switch fires Pontiac Fiero 6 Cyl..engine fires (remember those) VW Beetles (new ones) electrical fires. I will be happy to post more if you like, but it has nothing to do with Subaru....
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H 11 April 2005 03:41:26 [ permanent link ]
	Ah the good doctor spews his crap once again. I don't know where you got your negative bias from but clearly it is from somewhere other than experience. What the sane world has to say is very different. Look at Consumer Reports auto issues. The latest one rates SUBARU as the MOST RELIABLE brand overall for 2004. The FORESTER is TOP PICK for car-based SUVs for 2004 and 2005. Even Phil Edmunstons Lemon Aid Guide has many good things to say about them. Try finding a used Forester for sale, their rare because people tend to keep them. All of the industry mags (Car&Driver etal) seem to like them, but take anything an industry mag says with a huge grain of salt. Personally, I tend to go absolutely over-the-top when it comes to researching big purchases such as cars, appliances etc. I did all the research I could before buying my 04 Forester XS last May. It wasn't originally one of the vehicles in my sites, the Legacy was. But after more research I ended up with the Forester. Here's one tip though, get rid of the Yokahama tires the Forester comes with, they are bad. Oh, and if you are wondering what other vehicles I seriously considered (but eliminated after research and test drives), VW Jetta TDI, Mazda 6 Sportwgaon, Malibu Maxx, Legacy wagon, Nissan X-Trail, Honda SRV, Toyota RAV4 along with cursory looks at Saturns Large wagon, Hyundai, Kia and others. "DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway@spammers.com> wrote in message news:Hah6e.1245$dT4.503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...> "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...>> Hello everyone->> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know >> nothing>> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some>> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in>> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up >> to>> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.>> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.>> Thanks in advance for your assistance.>> Mark>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. I> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no> problems at all.> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles > I> see in print.> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los > Angeles> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that > have> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the > streets.> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised > to> see they won't. (I wonder why that is > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will > have> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them > that> should never happen and continue to occur.> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others > or> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's> worth).>
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Edward Hayes 11 April 2005 03:52:51 [ permanent link ]
	I think if you want some good statistics good to Consumer Reports and see what most owners have to say. Subaru reliability has been topnotch for many years. I think CR uses a minimum 500 vehicle owners responses to validate their ratings. "H" <a3a44058@telus.net> wrote in message news:GQi6e.20969$7Q4.20249@clgrps13...> Ah the good doctor spews his crap once again. I don't know where you > got your negative bias from but clearly it is from somewhere other > than experience.> What the sane world has to say is very different. Look at Consumer > Reports auto issues. The latest one rates SUBARU as the MOST > RELIABLE brand overall for 2004. The FORESTER is TOP PICK for > car-based SUVs for 2004 and 2005. Even Phil Edmunstons Lemon Aid > Guide has many good things to say about them. Try finding a used > Forester for sale, their rare because people tend to keep them. All > of the industry mags (Car&Driver etal) seem to like them, but take > anything an industry mag says with a huge grain of salt.> Personally, I tend to go absolutely over-the-top when it comes to > researching big purchases such as cars, appliances etc. I did all > the research I could before buying my 04 Forester XS last May. It > wasn't originally one of the vehicles in my sites, the Legacy was. > But after more research I ended up with the Forester. Here's one tip > though, get rid of the Yokahama tires the Forester comes with, they > are bad. Oh, and if you are wondering what other vehicles I > seriously considered (but eliminated after research and test > drives), VW Jetta TDI, Mazda 6 Sportwgaon, Malibu Maxx, Legacy > wagon, Nissan X-Trail, Honda SRV, Toyota RAV4 along with cursory > looks at Saturns Large wagon, Hyundai, Kia and others.> "DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway@spammers.com> wrote in message > news:Hah6e.1245$dT4.503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...>> "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message>> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...>>> Hello everyone->>> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know >>> nothing>>> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give >>> me some>>> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or >>> Subaru in>>> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control >>> problems up to>>> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of >>> Lemonaid.>>> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write >>> grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>> Thanks in advance for your assistance.>>> Mark>>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. I>> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile >> (and i>> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).>> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long >> run,>> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with >> no>> problems at all.>> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru >> does back>> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of >> people.The>> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one >> Mark, i>> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from >> articles I>> see in print.>> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los >> Angeles>> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones >> that have>> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the >> streets.>> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be >> surprised to>> see they won't. (I wonder why that is >> Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's >> an>> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars >> will have>> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of >> them that>> should never happen and continue to occur.>> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here >> are>> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning >> others or>> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......>> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what >> it's>> worth).>>
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Polish Boy 11 April 2005 04:14:58 [ permanent link ]
	When I entered the car business oh so many years ago, one of the first statistics that impressed me the most was"if an automobile were 99 and 44/100% pure like Ivory Soap (I'm dating myself here) it would only have 146 things wrong with it. Today, with the complications and sophistication of the current models, I hesitate to guess at how great the number would be. To state that the end result of billions of dollars of money, hours and hours of intelligent analysis by many thousands of people, and more third party endorsement than any car in it's class has resulted in abject failure, would lead a reasonable man to question the accuser and his agenda or perhaps to discount it in total. If we compare man made machines to perfection, we are doomed to be disappointed. Man is too often fallible so the outcome of his efforts are never perfect, not even his criticism. A pleasant good day to all.... -- Polish Boy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Polish Boy's Profile: http://www.automotivenewsgroups.com/member.php?userid=31 View this thread: http://www.automotivenewsgroups.com/showthread.php?t=189107
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Byron 11 April 2005 18:08:57 [ permanent link ]
	As well, as far as I know, the 2006 redesign (slightly) is out in a couple of months, July where I am... wait for that one as well... "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...> Hello everyone-> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. > Thanks in advance for your assistance.> Mark>
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Jim Stewart 11 April 2005 20:17:22 [ permanent link ]
	mn wrote:> Hello everyone-> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. > Thanks in advance for your assistance. Personal experience: Better quality, comfort, performance and reliability than Ford, VW, Nissan and Mitsubishi.
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MattB 11 April 2005 21:34:23 [ permanent link ]
	KLS wrote:> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote:> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing >>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some >>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in >>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to >>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. >>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. >>Thanks in advance for your assistance.> The other thing to consider is whether you want the 6-cyl turbo engine> or just the regular 4-cyl; the turbo requires premium gas, but the> 4-cyl runs fine on regular octane. The turbo is a 4 cylinder too. I have an '04 XT and it's great! Matt
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Hallan Blaggit 11 April 2005 22:58:55 [ permanent link ]
	I'm always amazed by your posts. I wonder what happens in LA that makes so many Subarus die there. Here in Atlantic Canada, I see them every day running all over the place. I used to have a Toyota Camry; my 98 Subaru wagon is every bit as reliable as the old Camry was. I personally really like my car, and it has worked very well for the last 260,000 km. Maybe I'm just lucky. I will admit there are two things about my car that my wife hates: the driver's seat is too low (and since I got a Brighton edition, there is no height adjustment), and when you lock the front doors, you have to lift up on the handle as you close it (I could have spent more money and bought electric locks, then this wouldn't be an issue anyway). So maybe Dr Fafoofnik is right; it must be a horrible piece of poorly engineered crap. On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:24:41 GMT, "DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway@spammers.com> wrote: "Carl 1 Lucky Texan" <alckytxn@swbell.not> wrote in message>news:aAh6e.84$JJ2.40@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...>> I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct>> me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or>> Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford>> Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles,>> or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil>> and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge>> problems or...or...or....>> Carl>> Yes Carl..I can! and your right.....>Ford Taurus...bad transmission pump resulting in input shaft lockups>Ford Taurus...Head gasket failure, resulting in oil leaks>Ford Trucks...Cruise Control switch causing underhood fires>Ford Truck (early 90's) Ignition switch fires>Pontiac Fiero 6 Cyl..engine fires (remember those)>VW Beetles (new ones) electrical fires.>I will be happy to post more if you like, but it has nothing to do with>Subaru....>
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Kurt C. Hack 12 April 2005 17:43:51 [ permanent link ]
	Also keep in mind that this comes from someone who drives a 2002 Ford Explorer. Needless to say, an authority on vehicle quality he is not. -Kurt DR. FAFOOFNlK wrote:> "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...> Hello everyone->> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.>> Mark>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. I> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no> problems at all.> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles I> see in print.> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los Angeles> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that have> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the streets.> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised to> see they won't. (I wonder why that is > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will have> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them that> should never happen and continue to occur.> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others or> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's> worth).>
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Rick Courtright 13 April 2005 11:43:27 [ permanent link ]
	Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote: I admit I don't hang out at the Ford Explorer newsgroup so, please tell> me, are there NO COMPLAINTS there? Carl, Methinks Dr. Rasty got the ONE good unit Ford produced that year... my sister, sister-in-law, and several other acquaintances have or have had Explorers over the last 10 years, varying years amongst them. They have registered NO complaints on the Internet about them. Probably cuz the Ford dealers, where they spend SO MUCH of both their time AND money, don't provide Internet access in the customer waiting areas. But in defense of the Explorers, nobody I know has rolled theirs over with a blowout. Yet... No car's perfect. Dr. Rasty doesn't even own a Subie, so I fail to understand what axe he has to grind here, but even if every single one of us who posts here had ALL the problems he mentions, in the grand scheme of things, considering even that the total number of Subies sold is minuscule compared to Toyota Camries or Ford Explorers or other popular makes, we'd hardly prove the marque unreliable. Of the various people I've known personally who've had Subies, the one who just hit 150k miles on his is the lowest mileage owner. Many have/had over 200k, mine has 360k (that's miles, not kilometres, and, don't forget, it blew up last week and even Dr. Rasty couldn't say anything bad about the miles it's gone!) I think you'd be hard pressed to find many Explorer owners with that kind of mileage. I don't think I know anyone who could stand one that long (F-series owners being the only Ford owners I know who stick with their vehicles until some big numbers show on the clock. Well, if their ignition switches don't burn them up?) So even though my inputs are strictly anecdotal, I think the rants from a non-owner are unwarranted. Rick
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SilverFXT 19 April 2005 19:09:25 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote: Hello everyone-> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing >about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some >advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in >general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to >2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid. >If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com. >Thanks in advance for your assistance.> Mark > Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical. The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95% highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But, then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and cost effective for us.
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Edward Hayes 19 April 2005 20:49:41 [ permanent link ]
	My 2000 Forester S has 85,000 + trouble free miles. My none turbo car has plenty of power for a daily driver and yields 27-28 mpg at 70 mph on regular gas. My town driving yields about 22 mpg. A very nice ride for the money. I did not think the AWD would be a benefit here in FL. but what a pleasant surprise when we get one of out frequent downpours and there's 6 inches of water to drive through. "SilverFXT" <curtspivey@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote:> Hello everyone->> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know >>nothing>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me >>some>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or >>Subaru in>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems >>up to>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of >>Lemonaid.>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write >>grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.>> Mark>> Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a > Legacy> and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years> and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT > because> my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast > to> drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.> The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife > loves> it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the > Gas> mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%> highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. > But,> then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We> really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and> cost effective for us.
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P38arover 20 April 2005 03:51:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <DRFafoofnik@rumpledanus.com> wrote in message Well...360K out of any engine (except Cummins,Catapiller or Detroit > Diesel)> is very good, ESPECIALLY if it's turbocharged. I suspect a lot of the> failures we see in the Los ANgeles area can be attributed to the high> underhood temps experianced in Socal...... Yes, I suppose SoCal gets as hot as it does here where I live in Australia - up to 45 deg C in summer. But we have lots of Subarus running around and no more stopped by the side of the road than any other make. Ron
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Tom Reingold 21 April 2005 01:13:00 [ permanent link ]
	p38arover wrote: Yes, I suppose SoCal gets as hot as it does here where I live in Australia - > up to 45 deg C in summer.> But we have lots of Subarus running around and no more stopped by the side > of the road than any other make.> Ron > Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe temperatures like that are rare in SoCal. -- Tom Reingold Noo Joizy
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Mn 21 April 2005 02:23:43 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to buy the Forester L.L.Bean and so far I am liking it very much. I do miss my Taurus SEL, though. Thanks again. Your experiences and advice were invaluable. Mark "SilverFXT" <curtspivey@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote:> Hello everyone->> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.>> Mark>> Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy> and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years> and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because> my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to> drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.> The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves> it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas> mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%> highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But,> then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We> really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and> cost effective for us.
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Rick Courtright 21 April 2005 09:09:31 [ permanent link ]
	Tom Reingold wrote: Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe> temperatures like that are rare in SoCal. Tom, Come on out here in mid-summer and let me show you the error of your thinking! I live about a half hour from Palm Springs--it will hit those temps EVERY day for weeks, from about the first of July into mid-September. And then we can go out to the desert where it actually gets hot... heck, even on my back porch, at the foot of the mountains (approx 2700 ft elevation) I'll see 110F too frequently for comfort during those same months. Rare? I don't think so! Now down where I think Dr. Rasty is, 100F is about all it gets. He's much closer to the ocean. Rick
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Tom Reingold 21 April 2005 20:04:47 [ permanent link ]
	Rick Courtright wrote:> Tom Reingold wrote:> Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe>>temperatures like that are rare in SoCal.> Tom,> Come on out here in mid-summer and let me show you the error of your> thinking!> I live about a half hour from Palm Springs--it will hit those temps> EVERY day for weeks, from about the first of July into mid-September.> And then we can go out to the desert where it actually gets hot... heck,> even on my back porch, at the foot of the mountains (approx 2700 ft> elevation) I'll see 110F too frequently for comfort during those same> months. Rare? I don't think so!> Now down where I think Dr. Rasty is, 100F is about all it gets. He's> much closer to the ocean.> Rick Wow. -- Tom Reingold Noo Joizy
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Kurt C. Hack 21 April 2005 22:09:53 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks for the update! Fafoofnick will be dissapointed, I'm sure. -Kurt mn wrote:> Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to buy the Forester L.L.Bean and > so far I am liking it very much. I do miss my Taurus SEL, though.> Thanks again. Your experiences and advice were invaluable.> Mark> "SilverFXT" <curtspivey@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote:>> Hello everyone->>> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing>>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some>>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in>>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to>>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.>>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn@hotmail.com.>>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.>>> Mark>>> Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy>>and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years>>and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because>>my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to>>drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.>>The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves>>it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas>>mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%>>highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But,>>then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We>>really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and>>cost effective for us. >
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P38arover 1 May 2005 03:21:41 [ permanent link ]
	"mn" <grapevyn@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:UDA9e.13505$If1.3591391@read2.cgocable.net...> Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to buy the Forester L.L.Bean > and so far I am liking it very much. I do miss my Taurus SEL, though. But you couldn't possibly miss the ugliness of a Taurus. They are so ugly that in Australia they just didn't sell. Ford were selling 2002 plated models in 2004. Fortunately they are pretty rare here so we don't have to look at them very often. The Falcon is much better looking. http://www.ford.com.au/showroom/passenger/Passenger_Vehicles.asp Ron
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Bonehenge 1 May 2005 03:59:13 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 1 May 2005 09:21:41 +1000, "p38arover" <beckettr@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Ford were selling 2002 plated models in 2004. Fortunately they are pretty >rare here so we don't have to look at them very often. The Falcon is much >better looking. >http://www.ford.com.au/showroom/passenger/Passenger_Vehicles.asp Oz again gets a cool car not available in the US. The Falcon looks like a Mustang hit a BMW 3 series, from the photos. Barry
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Rick Courtright 1 May 2005 20:14:33 [ permanent link ]
	Bonehenge wrote: Oz again gets a cool car not available in the US.> The Falcon looks like a Mustang hit a BMW 3 series, from the photos. Wonder how Ford's fortunes would fare if they sold that car in the US? Pix look good... Rick
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