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CarGuru > Open discussion > The dumb things we do(OT) 2 May 2005 18:04:18

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Dan Peterson 1 May 2005 18:43:07
 I've been having shifting problems with the automatic tranny in the 4-cyl. '93 Mustang I bought last fall. It would not go into
drive right away when the car was first started especially when the outside temp was cool. Once the car ran a short while it would
go into gear and be usually would be fine after that, however it's a little dangerous to back out the driveway or pull out into an
intersection and have to sit there blocking traffic until the tranny decides to behave. Anyway did some research on the net and
found out the tranny "modulator" was likely the source of the problem. If you pull the vacuum hose off the modulator and fluid pores
out the modulator diaphragm is bad and the modulator needs to be replaced. I check it and indeed the modulator was bad, so I changed
it out yesterday morning. Started the car, backed out of the driveway, put it in drive and still no tranny motion. Decided to take
it for a test drive, let everything warm up and check the fluid level. Drove about five miles to a nearby park & ride lot got out
and checked the fluid with the engine running. The dipstick showed that the fluid level was way overfilled, I rechecked it five more
times just to make sure. I know I had added some fluid in the fall and had overfilled it but didn't realize how much. I drove home
in a panic, how could I pull out some of the fluid without having to drop the transmission pan and have to replace the gasket, etc.
Got home, pulled the dipstick again and figured that if I got a small plastic tube I could draw off some fluid with a suction tool.
Anyway I was just about to head to the hardware store to pick up some tubing when I decided to take one more check under the hood.
No sooner did I open the engine compartment then I realized the problem, instead of pulling out the tranny dipstick I had pulled out
the engine oil dip stick. Well, as you can imaging with the engine running the oil had splashed all over the dipstick and thus the
very high reading. My first though, what a dumb sH#@! I've been working on cars (backyard mechanic) for far too many years to not
know the difference between the engine oil and tranny dipstick. Is this what old age does to us? Anyway once I checked the tranny
dipstick I found the tranny fluid was down about a quart (with the modulator diaphragm gone, the vacuum pulls the fluid out and into
the engine where it is burnt up), filled it up to correct level and checked it this morning (cold start) and everything seems to be
working fine, with the possible exception of my pride.

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Grumpy AuContraire 1 May 2005 19:05:06 permanent link ]
 Ain't it great that on Studes, the dipstick for the engine and tranny
are different colors...

JT




Dan Peterson wrote:>
I've been having shifting problems with the automatic tranny in the 4-cyl. '93 Mustang I bought last fall. It would not go into> drive right away when the car was first started especially when the outside temp was cool. Once the car ran a short while it would> go into gear and be usually would be fine after that, however it's a little dangerous to back out the driveway or pull out into an> intersection and have to sit there blocking traffic until the tranny decides to behave. Anyway did some research on the net and> found out the tranny "modulator" was likely the source of the problem. If you pull the vacuum hose off the modulator and fluid pores> out the modulator diaphragm is bad and the modulator needs to be replaced. I check it and indeed the modulator was bad, so I changed> it out yesterday morning. Started the car, backed out of the driveway, put it in drive and still no tranny motion. Decided to take> it for a test drive, let everything warm up and check the fluid level. Drove about five miles to a nearby park & ride lot got out> and checked the fluid with the engine running. The dipstick showed that the fluid level was way overfilled, I rechecked it five more> times just to make sure. I know I had added some fluid in the fall and had overfilled it but didn't realize how much. I drove home> in a panic, how could I pull out some of the fluid without having to drop the transmission pan and have to replace the gasket, etc.> Got home, pulled the dipstick again and figured that if I got a small plastic tube I could draw off some fluid with a suction tool.> Anyway I was just about to head to the hardware store to pick up some tubing when I decided to take one more check under the hood.> No sooner did I open the engine compartment then I realized the problem, instead of pulling out the tranny dipstick I had pulled out> the engine oil dip stick. Well, as you can imaging with the engine running the oil had splashed all over the dipstick and thus the> very high reading. My first though, what a dumb sH#@! I've been working on cars (backyard mechanic) for far too many years to not> know the difference between the engine oil and tranny dipstick. Is this what old age does to us? Anyway once I checked the tranny> dipstick I found the tranny fluid was down about a quart (with the modulator diaphragm gone, the vacuum pulls the fluid out and into> the engine where it is burnt up), filled it up to correct level and checked it this morning (cold start) and everything seems to be> working fine, with the possible exception of my pride.
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Midlant@Earthlink.Net 1 May 2005 19:57:31 permanent link ]
 When I lived in SanFran in 1972, I noticed the kid across the street
driving a Caddy around the block backwards.
I wandered over and asked - he said that it went only backwards and he
was trying everything he could think of to get it going forward.
Knowing that ATs differ, I asked him if he had checked it properly.
He dug out the Owners Manual and pointed out the proceedure, then
pulled the dip stick from the power steering pump and showed me
something like "Use automatic transmission fluid" was stamped into it.

A year later he had his own VW repair shop!

Karl

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Robert Black 1 May 2005 20:22:41 permanent link ]
 When your tranny dip stick is under the floor you just can't get them mixed
up,mabey that wasn't such a bad idea.You can check your tranny level while
sitting in the drivers seat with the car warmed up in drive with your foot
on the brake,and only have to lift a little carpet and the floor plug.
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@Grumpyvi­lleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:4274F101.52E89­6D9@GrumpyvilleNOT.c­om...> Ain't it great that on Studes, the dipstick for the engine and tranny> are different colors...>
Dan Peterson wrote:>>
I've been having shifting problems with the automatic tranny in the >> 4-cyl. '93 Mustang I bought last fall. It would not go into>> drive right away when the car was first started especially when the >> outside temp was cool. Once the car ran a short while it would>> go into gear and be usually would be fine after that, however it's a >> little dangerous to back out the driveway or pull out into an>> intersection and have to sit there blocking traffic until the tranny >> decides to behave. Anyway did some research on the net and>> found out the tranny "modulator" was likely the source of the problem. If >> you pull the vacuum hose off the modulator and fluid pores>> out the modulator diaphragm is bad and the modulator needs to be >> replaced. I check it and indeed the modulator was bad, so I changed>> it out yesterday morning. Started the car, backed out of the driveway, >> put it in drive and still no tranny motion. Decided to take>> it for a test drive, let everything warm up and check the fluid level. >> Drove about five miles to a nearby park & ride lot got out>> and checked the fluid with the engine running. The dipstick showed that >> the fluid level was way overfilled, I rechecked it five more>> times just to make sure. I know I had added some fluid in the fall and >> had overfilled it but didn't realize how much. I drove home>> in a panic, how could I pull out some of the fluid without having to drop >> the transmission pan and have to replace the gasket, etc.>> Got home, pulled the dipstick again and figured that if I got a small >> plastic tube I could draw off some fluid with a suction tool.>> Anyway I was just about to head to the hardware store to pick up some >> tubing when I decided to take one more check under the hood.>> No sooner did I open the engine compartment then I realized the problem, >> instead of pulling out the tranny dipstick I had pulled out>> the engine oil dip stick. Well, as you can imaging with the engine >> running the oil had splashed all over the dipstick and thus the>> very high reading. My first though, what a dumb sH#@! I've been working >> on cars (backyard mechanic) for far too many years to not>> know the difference between the engine oil and tranny dipstick. Is this >> what old age does to us? Anyway once I checked the tranny>> dipstick I found the tranny fluid was down about a quart (with the >> modulator diaphragm gone, the vacuum pulls the fluid out and into>> the engine where it is burnt up), filled it up to correct level and >> checked it this morning (cold start) and everything seems to be>> working fine, with the possible exception of my pride.


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Lee 1 May 2005 23:13:50 permanent link ]
 Thanks for sharing, Dan. Now I don't feel nearly as bad about looking
1/2 hour for my favorite 1/2 & 9/16 box wrench that was in my back
pocket <G>

On Sun, 1 May 2005 10:43:07 -0400, "Dan Peterson"
<dpson1954@adelphia­.net> wrote:>I've been having shifting problems with the automatic tranny in the 4-cyl. '93 Mustang I bought last fall. It would not go into >drive right away when the car was first started especially when the outside temp was cool. Once the car ran a short while it would >go into gear and be usually would be fine after that, however it's a little dangerous to back out the driveway or pull out into an >intersection and have to sit there blocking traffic until the tranny decides to behave. Anyway did some research on the net and >found out the tranny "modulator" was likely the source of the problem. If you pull the vacuum hose off the modulator and fluid pores >out the modulator diaphragm is bad and the modulator needs to be replaced. I check it and indeed the modulator was bad, so I changed >it out yesterday morning. Started the car, backed out of the driveway, put it in drive and still no tranny motion. Decided to take >it for a test drive, let everything warm up and check the fluid level. Drove about five miles to a nearby park & ride lot got out >and checked the fluid with the engine running. The dipstick showed that the fluid level was way overfilled, I rechecked it five more >times just to make sure. I know I had added some fluid in the fall and had overfilled it but didn't realize how much. I drove home >in a panic, how could I pull out some of the fluid without having to drop the transmission pan and have to replace the gasket, etc. >Got home, pulled the dipstick again and figured that if I got a small plastic tube I could draw off some fluid with a suction tool. >Anyway I was just about to head to the hardware store to pick up some tubing when I decided to take one more check under the hood. >No sooner did I open the engine compartment then I realized the problem, instead of pulling out the tranny dipstick I had pulled out >the engine oil dip stick. Well, as you can imaging with the engine running the oil had splashed all over the dipstick and thus the >very high reading. My first though, what a dumb sH#@! I've been working on cars (backyard mechanic) for far too many years to not >know the difference between the engine oil and tranny dipstick. Is this what old age does to us? Anyway once I checked the tranny >dipstick I found the tranny fluid was down about a quart (with the modulator diaphragm gone, the vacuum pulls the fluid out and into >the engine where it is burnt up), filled it up to correct level and checked it this morning (cold start) and everything seems to be >working fine, with the possible exception of my pride. >

Lee DeLaBarre
Daytona62
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--Shiva-- 2 May 2005 05:31:23 permanent link ]
 my uncle drove from OKC to our house, and when he got here was
fussing about having to find and or rebuild the auto tranny in
the motor home.. GRRRR,
I asked what happened?
took 9 quarts of fluid in 250 miles..

called the local parts store-does this have that vacume valve?
yes,, how much? $20.. or so. so I crawled under it with him
following, and unplugged the engine side.. and fluid POURED out..

trip to auto store, unscrewed and put new one in REAL QUICK, no
more fluid loss..


now, DOES, in case I need it, ANYONE (making this stude related)
have the one that goes on the truck tranny, as used in the zip
van???
are they available or do you just substitute with something else?

--Shiva--


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Dave's Place 2 May 2005 06:25:01 permanent link ]
 
Well, since I'd have a hard time telling Bondo Billy from Ellen> without my glasses, I don't go without very often!!! <G>

I bet you go, "without," very often without them!
--
Dave (Ellen is the tall one) Lester
Dave's Place
Home of the Internationally Renowned Studebakers, 'Sheba and Goliath
See pictures at www.davesplaceinc.c­om


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TomNoller 2 May 2005 18:04:18 permanent link ]
 Dan - Good story! We can all relate, I'm sure. I'm always looking for
misplaced tools, too. I chide my wife about needing 'idiot strings' for
her reading glasses, when I need them for my wrenches!

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