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CarGuru > Open discussion > Not so cold AC, sorta OT 1 May 2005 21:18:31

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Not so cold AC, sorta OT
Stude-Ious 28 April 2005 19:14:20
	My off-brand '89 'burb is only blowing moderately cool air from it's AC. Anyone know any sources for recharging the system? Up here (in Ontario, Canada) they've outlawed the old style coolant, and a conversion is big bucks!
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Kelmbaker@Msn.Com 29 April 2005 06:53:37 [ permanent link ]
	OK, here is my experience. You'll have people tell you it can't be done, but I've done it three times. Go to a flaps (down here it's Auto Zone or Checker), buy the conversion kit (about $45 American), rent or borrow a vacuum pump. Convert the fittings with the kit, hook up the pump, run for 24 hours. Drop in R134A and lubricant. You'll get told the lubricants are not compatible. Maybe, but I've never had a problem. Use some cheap R-134A gauges, fill the system, voila! Cold air, not R-12. You are not supposed to vent R-12 to the atmosphere here in America (the rest of the third world, OK), I'm sure Canada is the same. Not a problem for me, all the systems were empty from prior leakage. The nay sayers tell you the seals are different, I don't know, never changed them. There is a '62 GT running around that I converted at least 3 to 4 years ago. Still cold by Arizona standards. That is only my experience, your's might be different. KM
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John Poulos 29 April 2005 07:02:50 [ permanent link ]
	I use Freeze 12, it's compatible with the ester oil and is a replacement for R12. $99 for 12 cans, even cheaper than 134a. http://freeze-12.com/ kelmbaker@msn.com wrote:> OK, here is my experience. You'll have people tell you it can't be> done, but I've done it three times. Go to a flaps (down here it's Auto> Zone or Checker), buy the conversion kit (about $45 American), rent or> borrow a vacuum pump. Convert the fittings with the kit, hook up the> pump, run for 24 hours. Drop in R134A and lubricant. You'll get told> the lubricants are not compatible. Maybe, but I've never had a problem.> Use some cheap R-134A gauges, fill the system, voila! Cold air, not> R-12. You are not supposed to vent R-12 to the atmosphere here in> America (the rest of the third world, OK), I'm sure Canada is the same.> Not a problem for me, all the systems were empty from prior leakage.> The nay sayers tell you the seals are different, I don't know, never> changed them. There is a '62 GT running around that I converted at> least 3 to 4 years ago. Still cold by Arizona standards. That is only> my experience, your's might be different. KM> -- JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck
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Jeff Rice 29 April 2005 07:15:18 [ permanent link ]
	Problem with R134 conversions is the size of the condenser. Since R134 is only a percentage as efficient as R12 the condenser ends up being undersized. If your original condenser is big enough, you can get away with it just fine. But if it isn't, then you will get a cold blast and then a slow warm up and then it will blow only cool and not cold.... and the compressor will do a slow cook. Any old o-rings in the system (and R12 rated nylon piston seals...Sanden) could end up getting hurt, and then the conversion money will be re-spent to do a R134 conversion properly. Ask me how I know.... Jeff (and I had to listen to the 'I told you so' a dozenteen times from my a/c shop owner) Rice <kelmbaker wrote...> OK, here is my experience. You'll have people tell you it can't be> done, but I've done it three times. Go to a flaps (down here it's Auto> Zone or Checker), buy the conversion kit (about $45 American), rent or> borrow a vacuum pump. Convert the fittings with the kit, hook up the> pump, run for 24 hours. Drop in R134A and lubricant. You'll get told> the lubricants are not compatible. Maybe, but I've never had a problem.> Use some cheap R-134A gauges, fill the system, voila! Cold air, not> R-12. You are not supposed to vent R-12 to the atmosphere here in> America (the rest of the third world, OK), I'm sure Canada is the same.> Not a problem for me, all the systems were empty from prior leakage.> The nay sayers tell you the seals are different, I don't know, never> changed them. There is a '62 GT running around that I converted at> least 3 to 4 years ago. Still cold by Arizona standards. That is only> my experience, your's might be different. KM>
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Midlant@Earthlink.Net 29 April 2005 09:20:17 [ permanent link ]
	R12 is a big smuggling item coming across from Mexico, but I understand that more of it goes through Texas than California. If you can find a fridge (or other device) using R12 being scrapped out, I think a professional can legally remove it and put in your car. Check with the guys there in that trade, and maybe with some in a nearby US state, if you have no joy from the locals. Karl
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Ken Matson 29 April 2005 09:33:14 [ permanent link ]
	Scroll down the Freeze-12 page to the bottom. They have a product called "Glacier Gold" just for you Canucks. Ships from a point within Canada - No Customs hassle.
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Gordon Richmond 29 April 2005 11:02:20 [ permanent link ]
	Not being in Ontario, but I am in Canada. Try an agricultural or tractor supply shop. The sell a lot of propane/isobutane blend here. Seems to stay in the A/C units of combines, etc. better than the Freon. I've used it in my suburban, and it cools just fine. It's actually a more efficient refrigerant than R12. Drawback: it's combustible. Hell, so is fuel. If you smoke, you're gonna die anyway. Gord Richmond
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Stude-Ious 29 April 2005 14:52:04 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks to all; I've contacted the Freeze12/Glacier-Gold guys re: getting some here; will also stop by my local ag dealer this morning to see what they have. Boy, you guys are great, this NG is a great resource!
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Stude-Ious 29 April 2005 18:25:33 [ permanent link ]
	Update; Thanks for the help. Went to my buddy's ag dealership, he gave me a "RED TEK 12a" recharge kit; compatable with R12 or R134A systems, comes with can of sealant, 2 cans of refrigerant, fittings and hose. He advised me not to install it until the outside temp is up to 70 or 75 degrees.
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Jeff DeWitt 1 May 2005 19:21:01 [ permanent link ]
	If you DON'T smoke your going to die too, no one gets out of here alive! Jeff DeWitt Gordon Richmond wrote: Not being in Ontario, but I am in Canada.> Try an agricultural or tractor supply shop. The sell a lot of> propane/isobutane blend here. Seems to stay in the A/C units of> combines, etc. better than the Freon. I've used it in my suburban, and> it cools just fine. It's actually a more efficient refrigerant than> R12. > Drawback: it's combustible. Hell, so is fuel. If you smoke, you're> gonna die anyway.> Gord Richmond
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Lee Aanderud 1 May 2005 21:18:31 [ permanent link ]
	Must be a Canadian thing, I worked at the Midwest's largest John Deere dealership for two years in high school and did things like recharge A/C units in tractors and combines. This was back in the early 1980's and all I ever remember is using R-12 to recharge these systems. Lee "Gordon Richmond" <richmond@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:omm371lk5986pf4jdtmge818lr24gp184j@4ax.com...> Not being in Ontario, but I am in Canada.> Try an agricultural or tractor supply shop. The sell a lot of> propane/isobutane blend here. Seems to stay in the A/C units of> combines, etc. better than the Freon. I've used it in my suburban, and> it cools just fine. It's actually a more efficient refrigerant than> R12.> Drawback: it's combustible. Hell, so is fuel. If you smoke, you're> gonna die anyway.> Gord Richmond
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