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CarGuru > Open discussion > Re: What IS a 17 April 2005 23:36:16
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Stude-Ious 17 April 2005 14:06:56
 Good question! It's curious how we narrowly interpret the term "Survivor"
for our old cars. Anyone who is dragged alive from a car wreck(although
missing body parts and never able to function again) is considered to be a
survivor, but we're not as kind to the car from the same wreck.
I consider my 1950 F*** truck to be a "survivor". It has less than
5000 orig miles (only had 2300 on it at the beginning of last summer!).
Still has factory fan belts, brake shoes (even the inspector's white chalk
marks on the side of the brake shoes), tires (although I usually drive it
with a new set of WWW's). It still has original shiny paint inside the
fenders. It has a paper sticker on the inside of the windshield (notice
from factory to dealer re antifreeze). I have repainted the outside of the
truck. I also have refabbed the after market water tank (it was sold as a
cab/chassis, and used as a fire truck) into a utility box. I consider it a
survivor; some may disagree.
My 1959 Lark, is (still, but I may make some changes that eliminate
it) a survivor, I think. 30,000 orig miles, orig interior, never rusty,
one repaint in 1999, fan belt, tires, and plugs and wires have been
changed. But it came without a radio. I'm installing a (correct) radio. Is
it still a survivor? Do some think the respray (paint) disqualifies it?
What about updating for safety (tires, or changing to dual-pot master
cylinder); does that disqualify a car? Most of us do drive our cars!
I haven't installed them, but what about seat belts?
What about installing correct for the year options which weren't
factory installed on a particular car.
What about doing a better job aligning the body panels than the
factor did?
If we use too strict an interpretation of "survivor"; the only
vehicles that qualify might be ones that we can't drive; ones that people
can only walk around and look at.
What do the experts think?

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Stude-Ious 17 April 2005 14:23:14 [ permanent link ]
 I guess I should add to my previous post. Maybe my 51 Starlight better
qualifies as a "survivor". It has 70,000 orig miles, orig paint (starting
to show rust coming through from sitting outside for first 25 years of
it's life), original upholstery (well, the parts that are left that the
mice haven't moved into their condominium in the trunk), orig brakes (are
unsafe, don't work), original windshield (leaks through the glass, not at
the rubber, due to bullet hole through the glass).
But maybe it better qualifies a survivor. It still is shiny green
underneath. Everything sure appears to be factory original; all the chrome
is pitted, the clutch and brake pedals are worn. It is a good solid
vehicle. It is original. But it seems to be more like a survivor of a
concentration camp.

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John Poulos 17 April 2005 17:24:58 [ permanent link ]
 A unmolested old car that shows some age would be 'original', if it
still looks new, it's a Survivor. The Corvette club uses the term for
unrestored 'show' cars. Your 51 would be a Survivor if you could show
it with a good detailing job. My unrestored but detailed Survivor Avanti
scored the highest of any Studebaker I've owned in judging, but she's
now a daily driver for the new owner, and I think she prefers that life
to just surviving.<g>
stude-ious wrote:> I guess I should add to my previous post. Maybe my 51 Starlight better> qualifies as a "survivor". It has 70,000 orig miles, orig paint (starting> to show rust coming through from sitting outside for first 25 years of> it's life), original upholstery (well, the parts that are left that the> mice haven't moved into their condominium in the trunk), orig brakes (are> unsafe, don't work), original windshield (leaks through the glass, not at> the rubber, due to bullet hole through the glass).> But maybe it better qualifies a survivor. It still is shiny green> underneath. Everything sure appears to be factory original; all the chrome> is pitted, the clutch and brake pedals are worn. It is a good solid> vehicle. It is original. But it seems to be more like a survivor of a> concentration camp. >

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VWandSTUDEBAKER 17 April 2005 18:06:28 [ permanent link ]
 I guess a true "Survivor" is RARE....OH, now THERE is another GREATLY
over used word :)­

David

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Bob M 17 April 2005 23:16:37 [ permanent link ]
 Sometime back there was a post on the snooty Corvette club that had
copyrighted the word Survivor.Anyone using the term could be subject to
lawsuit.(Buncha House Manure) So at the time I looked up the word in
Websters:noun: to continue to exist; to outlast; to outlive.

I also looked up this word: noun Hidden riches:something regarded as
valuable. Verb. To save and accumulate for future use; to value.

The word is treasure. So not all Studebaker's are survivors but all
Studebakers are treasures!!!!

Will that word ever come into usage? I doubt it, but I feel all my
Studebakers are treasures!

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ

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Jeff Rice 17 April 2005 23:36:16 [ permanent link ]
 Well, there are some Studes that should be put in a box and buried <lol>


"bob m" wrote...> Sometime back there was a post on the snooty Corvette club that had> copyrighted the word Survivor.Anyone using the term could be subject to> lawsuit.(Buncha House Manure) So at the time I looked up the word in> Websters:noun: to continue to exist; to outlast; to outlive.>
I also looked up this word: noun Hidden riches:something regarded as> valuable. Verb. To save and accumulate for future use; to value.>
The word is treasure. So not all Studebaker's are survivors but all> Studebakers are treasures!!!!>
Will that word ever come into usage? I doubt it, but I feel all my> Studebakers are treasures!>
Bob Miles> Tucson AZ>


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