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Re: More grunt from my 1275

Graham L 2 April 2005 02:48:46
 
"Juice" <Juice@Juicenet.usa­> wrote in message
news:yif3e.2810$k57­.2025@fed1read07...>­ Graham L wrote:>> My mechanic tells me that as an alternative to fitting a lumpier cam in >> my 1275cc Moke, I can put in a set of high ratio rockers. Any experience >> out there.>>
GrahamL> Yep they worked great on my mini.>
J

Next question is:
There is a wide range of rockers available with a big variation in price. I
don't want to spend a fortune unnecessarily, but on the other hand, the last
thing I want is to spend a fair bit for bugger all gain when I could spend a
bit more and get a real gain.
Can anyone recommend some rockers that I can get from a supplier in
Australia that would do the job?

I've got twin 1.25" S.U.'s, extractors and the head has been ported and
oversize valves fitted. It goes really well up to about 3,000 rpm but gets
a bit breathless after that. Would I be realistic in expecting another 10
bhp, say, in the 2,500+ rpm range?

Thanks in advance,

GrahamL


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Juice 2 April 2005 04:47:14 permanent link ]
 Graham L wrote:> "Juice" <Juice@Juicenet.usa­> wrote in message > news:yif3e.2810$k57­.2025@fed1read07...>­
Graham L wrote:>>
My mechanic tells me that as an alternative to fitting a lumpier cam in >>>my 1275cc Moke, I can put in a set of high ratio rockers. Any experience >>>out there.>>>
GrahamL>>
Yep they worked great on my mini.>>
Next question is:> There is a wide range of rockers available with a big variation in price. I > don't want to spend a fortune unnecessarily, but on the other hand, the last > thing I want is to spend a fair bit for bugger all gain when I could spend a > bit more and get a real gain.> Can anyone recommend some rockers that I can get from a supplier in > Australia that would do the job?>
I've got twin 1.25" S.U.'s, extractors and the head has been ported and > oversize valves fitted. It goes really well up to about 3,000 rpm but gets > a bit breathless after that. Would I be realistic in expecting another 10 > bhp, say, in the 2,500+ rpm range?>
Thanks in advance,>
GrahamL >
With all that head work I would go the cam route. You will get a better
performance increase.

J
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Chris Morriss 2 April 2005 11:45:23 permanent link ]
 In message <idk3e.20570$C7.121­96@news-server.bigpo­nd.net.au>, Graham L
<lyonsg_r@bigpond.n­et.au> writes>
"Juice" <Juice@Juicenet.usa­> wrote in message>news:yif3e.­2810$k57.2025@fed1re­ad07...>> Graham L wrote:>>> My mechanic tells me that as an alternative to fitting a lumpier cam in>>> my 1275cc Moke, I can put in a set of high ratio rockers. Any experience>>> out there.>>>
GrahamL>> Yep they worked great on my mini.>>
Next question is:>There is a wide range of rockers available with a big variation in price. I>don't want to spend a fortune unnecessarily, but on the other hand, the last>thing I want is to spend a fair bit for bugger all gain when I could spend a>bit more and get a real gain.>Can anyone recommend some rockers that I can get from a supplier in>Australia that would do the job?>
I've got twin 1.25" S.U.'s, extractors and the head has been ported and>oversize valves fitted. It goes really well up to about 3,000 rpm but gets>a bit breathless after that. Would I be realistic in expecting another 10>bhp, say, in the 2,500+ rpm range?>
Thanks in advance,>
GrahamL>

Why are you sticking with the twin 1.25 SUs? You'll get more power, and
a lot easier tuning with an HIF 1.75 SU on a decent manifold (I did!).
--
Chris Morriss
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Matt N Caz 2 April 2005 17:11:35 permanent link ]
 Yup he's right, you'll be better off with a single SU and not twin.

Also try running an 850 cam if you can get hold of one and try that (more
lift and longer dwell)

I put a 1300 head onto a 1000 block and got a lot of increase in power and
torque (80+ bhp)

Running single 1.75 SU 850 cam an new followers.

Effectively the engine has a stage three head before any work is done to it
!!!!

Make sure your brakes are strong enough to cope with the extra grunt...

Matt


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Kelley Mascher 4 April 2005 21:41:27 permanent link ]
 It seems odd to me that you would see power fall off at 3000 rpm. My
first thought is that the cam timing might be off by a tooth. It's
unusual but it does happen. Getting more power in a low rpm range like
2500 usually requires re-time the cam.

As an experiment, make a note of the valve lash setting you are using
now. Open them up by a few thousandths. Warm up the engine and make a
power run. If it helps try opening them up a few more thousandths and
test again. You don't want to go too far with this but it can give you
an idea about what is going on with the engine.

The twin HS2s on a stock manifold don't flow much worse than an
HS6/HIF44 on the Metro/Torquemaster manifold. With a little
modification they can in fact flow better. You do want to make sure
that the HS2s are in good shape to begin with, that you have a free
flowing intake filter and that there are now vacuum leaks between the
carb and the head. Any of these can lead to the problem you have.

The best compromise of price and effectiveness in my opinion is the
roller tipped rockers. They are more accurately made than the offset
bushes in the standard rockers and are cheaper than the full roller
rockers.

Cheers,

Kelley

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:48:46 GMT, "Graham L" <lyonsg_r@bigpond.n­et.au>
wrote:
"Juice" <Juice@Juicenet.usa­> wrote in message >news:yif3e.2810$k5­7.2025@fed1read07...­>> Graham L wrote:>>> My mechanic tells me that as an alternative to fitting a lumpier cam in >>> my 1275cc Moke, I can put in a set of high ratio rockers. Any experience >>> out there.>>>
GrahamL>> Yep they worked great on my mini.>>
Next question is:>There is a wide range of rockers available with a big variation in price. I >don't want to spend a fortune unnecessarily, but on the other hand, the last >thing I want is to spend a fair bit for bugger all gain when I could spend a >bit more and get a real gain.>Can anyone recommend some rockers that I can get from a supplier in >Australia that would do the job?>
I've got twin 1.25" S.U.'s, extractors and the head has been ported and >oversize valves fitted. It goes really well up to about 3,000 rpm but gets >a bit breathless after that. Would I be realistic in expecting another 10 >bhp, say, in the 2,500+ rpm range?>
Thanks in advance,>
GrahamL >

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Fragged 5 April 2005 01:52:34 permanent link ]
 hi
A fast grunt gain is to skim the head to raise the compression ratio but be
sure the bottom end is in good condition.


fragged

"Graham L" <lyonsg_r@bigpond.n­et.au> wrote in message
news:4Sa3e.20216$C7­.11608@news-server.b­igpond.net.au...> My mechanic tells me that as an alternative to fitting a lumpier cam in my> 1275cc Moke, I can put in a set of high ratio rockers. Any experience out> there.>
GrahamL>


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Graham L 5 April 2005 15:26:31 permanent link ]
 
"Kelley Mascher" <mascherk@comcast.n­et> wrote in message
news:l8r251leg3vk9p­1d553v7dure8gm782pau­@4ax.com...> It seems odd to me that you would see power fall off at 3000 rpm. My> first thought is that the cam timing might be off by a tooth. It's> unusual but it does happen. Getting more power in a low rpm range like> 2500 usually requires re-time the cam.>
As an experiment, make a note of the valve lash setting you are using> now. Open them up by a few thousandths. Warm up the engine and make a> power run. If it helps try opening them up a few more thousandths and> test again. You don't want to go too far with this but it can give you> an idea about what is going on with the engine.>
The twin HS2s on a stock manifold don't flow much worse than an> HS6/HIF44 on the Metro/Torquemaster manifold. With a little> modification they can in fact flow better. You do want to make sure> that the HS2s are in good shape to begin with, that you have a free> flowing intake filter and that there are now vacuum leaks between the> carb and the head. Any of these can lead to the problem you have.>
The best compromise of price and effectiveness in my opinion is the> roller tipped rockers. They are more accurately made than the offset> bushes in the standard rockers and are cheaper than the full roller> rockers.>
Cheers,>
Kelley>
Thanks, Kelley. I will check it out and the roller tipped rockers too.

Graham


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Manuel Marchant 5 April 2005 21:36:53 permanent link ]
 did you mean a original and standar 850 cam??

I´m building a 1275 engine with the original cam, but if its better the 850
cam i do the change,

which fuel pump do I use??? from 850 or 1275
regards

manuel


"matt n caz" <cb001r5377@blueyon­der.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bSw3e.17703$Nr­5.3809@fe2.news.blue­yonder.co.uk...> Yup he's right, you'll be better off with a single SU and not twin.>
Also try running an 850 cam if you can get hold of one and try that (more> lift and longer dwell)>
I put a 1300 head onto a 1000 block and got a lot of increase in power and> torque (80+ bhp)>
Running single 1.75 SU 850 cam an new followers.>
Effectively the engine has a stage three head before any work is done to
!!!!>
Make sure your brakes are strong enough to cope with the extra grunt...>
Matt>


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Minifreek 8 April 2005 17:39:17 permanent link ]
 use an original 850 or re-conditioned cam and the fuel pump from the 1275 to
keep up with the fuel flow.

"manuel marchant" <mmarchant@impsat.c­l> wrote in message
news:4252c834@news.­impsat.cl...> did you mean a original and standar 850 cam??>
I´m building a 1275 engine with the original cam, but if its better the
cam i do the change,>
which fuel pump do I use??? from 850 or 1275> regards>
manuel>
"matt n caz" <cb001r5377@blueyon­der.co.uk> wrote in message> news:bSw3e.17703$Nr­5.3809@fe2.news.blue­yonder.co.uk...> > Yup he's right, you'll be better off with a single SU and not twin.> >
Also try running an 850 cam if you can get hold of one and try that
(more> > lift and longer dwell)> >
I put a 1300 head onto a 1000 block and got a lot of increase in power
torque (80+ bhp)> >
Running single 1.75 SU 850 cam an new followers.> >
Effectively the engine has a stage three head before any work is done to> it> > !!!!> >
Make sure your brakes are strong enough to cope with the extra grunt...> >
Matt> >


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TurboJo 10 April 2005 17:16:12 permanent link ]
 I thought the small block cams were shorter than the big bore cams or did
that change with the intro of the A plus?

"minifreek" <cb001r5377@blueyon­der.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9Qv5e.53957$Nr­5.49539@fe2.news.blu­eyonder.co.uk...> use an original 850 or re-conditioned cam and the fuel pump from the 1275
keep up with the fuel flow.>
"manuel marchant" <mmarchant@impsat.c­l> wrote in message> news:4252c834@news.­impsat.cl...> > did you mean a original and standar 850 cam??> >
I´m building a 1275 engine with the original cam, but if its better the> 850> > cam i do the change,> >
which fuel pump do I use??? from 850 or 1275> > regards> >
manuel> >
"matt n caz" <cb001r5377@blueyon­der.co.uk> wrote in message> > news:bSw3e.17703$Nr­5.3809@fe2.news.blue­yonder.co.uk...> > > Yup he's right, you'll be better off with a single SU and not twin.> > >
Also try running an 850 cam if you can get hold of one and try that> (more> > > lift and longer dwell)> > >
I put a 1300 head onto a 1000 block and got a lot of increase in power> and> > > torque (80+ bhp)> > >
Running single 1.75 SU 850 cam an new followers.> > >
Effectively the engine has a stage three head before any work is done
!!!!> > >
Make sure your brakes are strong enough to cope with the extra
grunt...> > >
Matt> > >


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