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Error 32 w/ new EGR
Nate Sestrich 22 April 2005 01:50:35
	Hi guys, Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I still get the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a rather rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a new one too, just to be sure. Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that might be associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are pretty vague. Thanks! Nate
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John Craker 22 April 2005 02:19:57 [ permanent link ]
	The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a failure in the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump. "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> Hi guys,> Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I still get> the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a rather> rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a new one> too, just to be sure.> Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that might be> associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are pretty> vague.
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Nate Sestrich 22 April 2005 02:34:31 [ permanent link ]
	John, Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that was on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon around the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that solenoid! Thanks! Nate "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a failure the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > Hi guys,> > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I still the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a rather> > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a new too, just to be sure.> > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that might associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are pretty> > vague.>
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JazzMan 22 April 2005 05:52:54 [ permanent link ]
	Nate Sestrich wrote:> John,> Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that was> on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon around> the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that solenoid!> Thanks!> Nate> "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message> news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> > The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a failure> in> > the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> > "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> > news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > > Hi guys,> > > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I still> get> > > the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a rather> > > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a new> one> > > too, just to be sure.> > > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that might> be> > > associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are pretty> > > vague.> > There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums, then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page. Trust me, you have to see this thread. The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32. JazzMan -- ******************************************************** Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net. Curse those darned bulk e-mailers! ****************************************************** "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry ********************************************************
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Nate Sestrich 22 April 2005 06:30:38 [ permanent link ]
	Jazzman, Thanks a bunch for the help. The article, admittedly, confused me a bit more than I was to begin with, but Im an electronics tech for a living so the whole multimeter testing thing sounds like a breeze. I was sort of let down to read that this problem normally doesnt effect engine performance...Ive been getting very rough idle as well as soot all over the back of my car for a god month now. I was really hoping to clear it up. Any chance Im barking up the wrong tree here? Thanks, Nate "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message news:426858F6.75B1@airmail.net...> Nate Sestrich wrote:> > John,> > Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon around> > the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that solenoid!> > Thanks!> > Nate> > "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message> > news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> > > The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a failure> > in> > > the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> > > "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> > > news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > > > Hi guys,> > > > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I still> > get> > > > the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a rather> > > > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a too, just to be sure.> > > > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that might> > be> > > > associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are pretty> > > > vague.> > > There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> Trust me, you have to see this thread.> The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> JazzMan> --> ********************************************************> Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net.> Curse those darned bulk e-mailers!> ******************************************************> "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of> supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to> live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry> ********************************************************
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JazzMan 22 April 2005 07:03:52 [ permanent link ]
	DO this. With the engine idling, use your fingers to push up on the diaphragm inside the EGR valve hat. This will open the EGR valve. The idle should deteriorate immediately and badly. Release the diaphragm, the idle should improve within a second or two. Next step, with the engine off disconnect the vacuum line from the EGR valve. Use your finger to again push the diaphragm up, then use a dampened finger to block the nipple on the valve where the vacuum line was connected. Release the diaphragm while blocking the nipple, it should stay up as long as the port remains blocked. As soon as you release the nipple the valve should close. If it won't hold then the diaphragm is bad and the valve needs to be replaced. Have you pulled any pther trouble codes yet? With the mixture that rich you should have set at least an O2 trouble code by now, generally a code in the 40's. If your O2 is bad it will run rich, and the same if the CTS is bad. JazzMan Nate Sestrich wrote:> Jazzman,> Thanks a bunch for the help. The article, admittedly, confused me a bit> more than I was to begin with, but Im an electronics tech for a living so> the whole multimeter testing thing sounds like a breeze. I was sort of let> down to read that this problem normally doesnt effect engine> performance...Ive been getting very rough idle as well as soot all over the> back of my car for a god month now. I was really hoping to clear it up.> Any chance Im barking up the wrong tree here?> Thanks,> Nate> "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message> news:426858F6.75B1@airmail.net...> > Nate Sestrich wrote:> > > John,> > > Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that> was> > > on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon> around> > > the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that> solenoid!> > > Thanks!> > > Nate> > > "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message> > > news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> > > > The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a> failure> > > in> > > > the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> > > > "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> > > > news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > > > > Hi guys,> > > > > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I> still> > > get> > > > > the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have a> rather> > > > > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in a> new> > > one> > > > > too, just to be sure.> > > > > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that> might> > > be> > > > > associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals are> pretty> > > > > vague.> > > > There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> > about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> > then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> > "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> > Trust me, you have to see this thread.> > The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> > solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> > the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> > vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> > -- ******************************************************** Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net. Curse those darned bulk e-mailers! ****************************************************** "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry ********************************************************
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Nate Sestrich 22 April 2005 07:13:07 [ permanent link ]
	Jazzman, Nope, no other error codes as of yet, and the EGR is brand new as of two days ago. I will try what you said, not a problem. I was afraid that Im burning oil, but my exhaust smells like gasoline. I havent had a single other error code other than 32 for 2 months now and just got the fixing it up about 5 days ago. Could it possibly be lingering carbon in the system that is still giving me the error code? Or after replacing the EGR valve it should clear right away? Im still hanging to the fact that my solenoid might be bad, but Id hate to buy one if I dont have to. Ill give what you said a try tomorrow. Thanks, Nate "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message news:42686998.282A@airmail.net...> DO this. With the engine idling, use your fingers to push> up on the diaphragm inside the EGR valve hat. This will open> the EGR valve. The idle should deteriorate immediately and> badly. Release the diaphragm, the idle should improve within> a second or two. Next step, with the engine off disconnect> the vacuum line from the EGR valve. Use your finger to again> push the diaphragm up, then use a dampened finger to block> the nipple on the valve where the vacuum line was connected.> Release the diaphragm while blocking the nipple, it should> stay up as long as the port remains blocked. As soon as you> release the nipple the valve should close. If it won't hold> then the diaphragm is bad and the valve needs to be replaced.> Have you pulled any pther trouble codes yet? With the mixture that> rich you should have set at least an O2 trouble code by now,> generally a code in the 40's. If your O2 is bad it will run> rich, and the same if the CTS is bad.> JazzMan> Nate Sestrich wrote:> > Jazzman,> > Thanks a bunch for the help. The article, admittedly, confused me a more than I was to begin with, but Im an electronics tech for a living the whole multimeter testing thing sounds like a breeze. I was sort of down to read that this problem normally doesnt effect engine> > performance...Ive been getting very rough idle as well as soot all over back of my car for a god month now. I was really hoping to clear it up.> > Any chance Im barking up the wrong tree here?> > Thanks,> > Nate> > "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message> > news:426858F6.75B1@airmail.net...> > > Nate Sestrich wrote:> > > > John,> > > > Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that> > was> > > > on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon> > around> > > > the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that> > solenoid!> > > > Thanks!> > > > Nate> > > > "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message> > > > news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> > > > > The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a> > failure> > > > in> > > > > the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> > > > > "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> > > > > news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > > > > > Hi guys,> > > > > > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I> > still> > > > get> > > > > > the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have rather> > > > > > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in too, just to be sure.> > > > > > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that> > might> > > > be> > > > > > associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals pretty> > > > > > vague.> > > > > There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> > > about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> > > then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> > > "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> > > Trust me, you have to see this thread.> > > The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> > > solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> > > the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> > > vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> > > --> ********************************************************> Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net.> Curse those darned bulk e-mailers!> ******************************************************> "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of> supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to> live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry> ********************************************************
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Mr Potatohead 22 April 2005 20:51:37 [ permanent link ]
	JazzMan wrote: There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> Trust me, you have to see this thread.> The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> Unless Cliff has moved to Norway, the last two letters of the URL should be "nl". Tsk tsk, Jazzman. Otherwise, we do trust you.
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JazzMan 23 April 2005 07:08:01 [ permanent link ]
	Mr Potatohead wrote:> JazzMan wrote:> There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> > about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> > then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> > "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> > Trust me, you have to see this thread.> > The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> > solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> > the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> > vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> > Unless Cliff has moved to Norway, the last two letters of the URL should> be "nl".> Tsk tsk, Jazzman. Otherwise, we do trust you. Yeah, right. You coming to the swap meet next weekend? I'm having a room party at the hotel, all the beer you can drink if you're staying at that hotel or have a designated driver. JazzMan -- ******************************************************** Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net. Curse those darned bulk e-mailers! ****************************************************** "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry ********************************************************
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Nate Sestrich 24 April 2005 05:44:37 [ permanent link ]
	About how much would a replacement EGR solenoid cost if anyone has an idea? Thanks! Nate "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message news:42686998.282A@airmail.net...> DO this. With the engine idling, use your fingers to push> up on the diaphragm inside the EGR valve hat. This will open> the EGR valve. The idle should deteriorate immediately and> badly. Release the diaphragm, the idle should improve within> a second or two. Next step, with the engine off disconnect> the vacuum line from the EGR valve. Use your finger to again> push the diaphragm up, then use a dampened finger to block> the nipple on the valve where the vacuum line was connected.> Release the diaphragm while blocking the nipple, it should> stay up as long as the port remains blocked. As soon as you> release the nipple the valve should close. If it won't hold> then the diaphragm is bad and the valve needs to be replaced.> Have you pulled any pther trouble codes yet? With the mixture that> rich you should have set at least an O2 trouble code by now,> generally a code in the 40's. If your O2 is bad it will run> rich, and the same if the CTS is bad.> JazzMan> Nate Sestrich wrote:> > Jazzman,> > Thanks a bunch for the help. The article, admittedly, confused me a more than I was to begin with, but Im an electronics tech for a living the whole multimeter testing thing sounds like a breeze. I was sort of down to read that this problem normally doesnt effect engine> > performance...Ive been getting very rough idle as well as soot all over back of my car for a god month now. I was really hoping to clear it up.> > Any chance Im barking up the wrong tree here?> > Thanks,> > Nate> > "JazzMan" <No_Spam@airmail.net> wrote in message> > news:426858F6.75B1@airmail.net...> > > Nate Sestrich wrote:> > > > John,> > > > Cool, guess Ill throw on new one of those at it too. The EGR that> > was> > > > on looked terrible inside anyhow, I had to bust off a bunch of carbon> > around> > > > the ports. Needed it anyhow I guess. Ill take a look for that> > solenoid!> > > > Thanks!> > > > Nate> > > > "John Craker" <watts@dccnet.com> wrote in message> > > > news:116g9o3fup28nb2@corp.supernews.com...> > > > > The code 32 has nothing to do with the EGR valve itself. It's a> > failure> > > > in> > > > > the EGR solenoid over on the other side, just above the water pump.> > > > > "Nate Sestrich" <bigses@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message> > > > > news:116g80rktan8478@corp.supernews.com...> > > > > > Hi guys,> > > > > > Had an error 32 on the computer, put in brand new EGR, but I> > still> > > > get> > > > > > the error 32 (much less frequently though). It does still have rather> > > > > > rough idle as well. Air filter was a little dirty so I threw in too, just to be sure.> > > > > > Can anyone tell me what else to look for, test or switch that> > might> > > > be> > > > > > associated with the error 32? The Haynes and Chilton manuals pretty> > > > > > vague.> > > > > There's a thread over on Pennocks that has all you ever wanted to know> > > about the Fiero V6 EGR system, http://www.fiero.no go to the forums,> > > then hit search off the top right group of links, then search for> > > "code 32 buddycraigg warning" and you'll see it in the first page.> > > Trust me, you have to see this thread.> > > The Code 32 is set when the vacuum switch that's attached to the> > > solenoid doesn't see vacuum when the ECM thinks there should be in> > > the line that goes from the solenoid to the EGR valve. A broken> > > vacuum line, defective EGR valve, or switch can cause a code 32.> > > --> ********************************************************> Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net.> Curse those darned bulk e-mailers!> ******************************************************> "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of> supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to> live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry> ********************************************************
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R W Hughes 24 April 2005 09:09:07 [ permanent link ]
	before you go buying a new solenoid (expensive) try this (cheap). There is a small rubber hose going from the end of the solenoid up to a tube on the firewall. Replace this, clear the codes, and see if they come back after 5+ minutes above 55mph. -- Robert W. Hughes (Bob) BackYard Engineering 29:40.237N, 95:28.726W or perhaps 30:55.265N, 95:20.590W Houston, Texas "The city with too much Oxygen" rwhughe@oplink.net
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JazzMan 24 April 2005 19:13:15 [ permanent link ]
	R W Hughes wrote:> before you go buying a new solenoid (expensive) try this (cheap). There> is a small rubber hose going from the end of the solenoid up to a tube> on the firewall. Replace this, clear the codes, and see if they come> back after 5+ minutes above 55mph. That rubber hose is the fresh air sourse for bleeding off vacuum when the solenoid commands the EGR valve to close. This would only really cause a problem if it was totally plugged, and if it was it would keep vacuum in the EGR system and cause drivability problems. However, since vacuum would be present it wouldn't trip a code 32. New solenoids are expensive, it's usually better to try repairing yours first. The buddycraigg code 32 link on Pennocks is a good place to start. JazzMan -- ******************************************************** Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net. Curse those darned bulk e-mailers! ****************************************************** "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry ********************************************************
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R W Hughes 25 April 2005 00:31:17 [ permanent link ]
	R W Hughes wrote:> before you go buying a new solenoid (expensive) try this (cheap). There>>> is a small rubber hose going from the end of the solenoid up to a tube>>> on the firewall. Replace this, clear the codes, and see if they come>>> back after 5+ minutes above 55mph.> That rubber hose is the fresh air sourse for bleeding off> vacuum when the solenoid commands the EGR valve to close.> This would only really cause a problem if it was totally> plugged, and if it was it would keep vacuum in the EGR> system and cause drivability problems. However, since > vacuum would be present it wouldn't trip a code 32. Actually it will, the ecm checks for the presence of vacuum when it tries to turn on the egr and it checks for the lack of vacuum when it tries to turn the egr off. This seems to be really common problem and the #1 cause of the code. -- Robert W. Hughes (Bob) BackYard Engineering 29:40.237N, 95:28.726W or perhaps 30:55.265N, 95:20.590W Houston, Texas "The city with too much Oxygen" rwhughe@oplink.net
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