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CarGuru > Open discussion > Early 30's or 40's Chrysler or Ford Axle(?) and spindle dust caps (threaded) 11 March 2005 03:56:56
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Early 30's or 40's Chrysler or Ford Axle(?) and spindle dust caps (threaded)

Guest 8 February 2005 02:49:00
 Hi All:

I have a utility trailer that was built using a very old I-beam style
axle and I have no idea what it came off of. I am in need of some dust
caps for the ends of the spindles. The issue is that the hubs have
threaded bores (1.98"?) and seem to be deeper than most over the
counter slip fit caps.

If anyone can help identify the axle and or point me in the right
direction to get some replacement caps I would sincerely appreciate it!
The only after market ones I could find were Bearing Buddy's but they
arent deep enough to accomodate the spindle nut (I need at least
1-1/4").

Here are some links to photos of the axle:
http://www.granites­tate.net/trailer/axl­e1.jpg
http://www.granites­tate.net/trailer/axl­e2.jpg
http://www.granites­tate.net/trailer/axl­e3.jpg
http://www.granites­tate.net/trailer/axl­e4.jpg

Thanks!

Eric B
bridgemanusa@hotmai­l.com

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George Patterson 8 February 2005 03:10:45 [ permanent link ]
 

bridgemanusa@hotmai­l.com wrote:>
I have a utility trailer that was built using a very old I-beam style> axle and I have no idea what it came off of.

If it's a Ford, it's post WWII.

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.
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Guest 12 February 2005 02:02:18 [ permanent link ]
 Thanks George. Any idea what year it might be?

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Guest 4 March 2005 16:07:07 [ permanent link ]
 
Thanks again George. After further inspection, it seems one of my
spindles is quite worn. I am still at a loss of definatively finding
out what this axle came off of because its tough finding someplace with
parts (and images of them for that matter) to match up against. I am
not having much luck with the 40's so may have to start in the 60's
econoline series.

I have since taken additional photos of the spindles in the hope I can
get closer to findins its source. Thanks again. (link to pictures
below, please ignore the taillight images).

http://www.granites­tate.net/trailer/tra­iler.htm


Eric B

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Joe Way 4 March 2005 19:24:30 [ permanent link ]
 On 4 Mar 2005 04:07:07 -0800, bridgemanusa@hotmai­l.com wrote:
Thanks again George. After further inspection, it seems one of my>spindles is quite worn. I am still at a loss of definatively finding>out what this axle came off of because its tough finding someplace with>parts (and images of them for that matter) to match up against. I am>not having much luck with the 40's so may have to start in the 60's>econoline series.>
I have since taken additional photos of the spindles in the hope I can>get closer to findins its source. Thanks again. (link to pictures>below, please ignore the taillight images).>
http://www.granite­state.net/trailer/tr­ailer.htm>
Eric B
===================­===========
Eric, what is the bolt circle diameter, and are there any numbers on
the wheel cylinders?

Many Mopar cylinders of the period were step-diameter as your are, but
they looked straight on the outside, so your axle is definitely not
any kind of Mopar. Most likely would be Ford, but International and
Studebaker trucks used very similar cylinders with the external step,
as well as several smaller car makers. Cylinder casting numbers,
especially if they're Wagner numbers, might let me pin it down for
you.

Joe
--
Heather & Joe Way
Sierra Specialty Automotive
Brake cylinders sleeved with brass
Gus Wilson Stories
http://www.brakecyl­inder.com
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Guest 5 March 2005 07:35:37 [ permanent link ]
 Thanks for the replies.

The bolt pattern of the hub is 5x4.5 and the cylendars seem to be
Wagner Lockheed (easily made out on the rubber end caps, and somewhat
legible stamped on the cylinder housing itself). The end caps also bare
the numbers FC-3863 (lg end) and FC-3862 (small end). The cylinder is
stamped (partly legible) with A 1(?) r(?) D and the number 2636. I hope
that helps, and thanks again for all your efforts.

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Joe Way 5 March 2005 21:42:30 [ permanent link ]
 On 4 Mar 2005 19:35:37 -0800, bridgemanusa@hotmai­l.com wrote:
Thanks for the replies.>
The bolt pattern of the hub is 5x4.5 and the cylendars seem to be>Wagner Lockheed (easily made out on the rubber end caps, and somewhat>legible stamped on the cylinder housing itself). The end caps also bare>the numbers FC-3863 (lg end) and FC-3862 (small end). The cylinder is>stamped (partly legible) with A 1(?) r(?) D and the number 2636. I hope>that helps, and thanks again for all your efforts.
===================­==
Wagner Lockheed casting number FD-2636 is part of assembly number
FD-2638, which is a left front wheel cylinder for various models of
Studebaker cars from 1935-1937 and light trucks from 1938-1940, and
Stutz package car from 1936-1938. The right cylinder should bear
casting number FD-2637.

IIRC, the original question was about the spindle dust cap as
mentioned in the Subject. Studebaker and Stutz bought the brake
assemblies from Wagner, probably as complete assemblies, and almost
certainly bought the brake drums from Wagner as well. Ford also bought
nearly identical brake assemblies from Lockheed, also probably with
drums, and my guess is that a dust cap for an old Ford would fit your
drum. Sacramento Vintage Ford (916-853-2244) offers their part #025
for 1932-1935 and #5067 for 1936-1942. I'd guess that the latter is
the one you need. A phone call to SVF with dimensions may solve your
problem.

If this helps enough to make you feel generous, I could use the wheel
cylinder cores.

Joe
--
Heather & Joe Way
Sierra Specialty Automotive
Brake cylinders sleeved with brass
Gus Wilson Stories
http://www.brakecyl­inder.com
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Guest 6 March 2005 20:39:51 [ permanent link ]
 Thanks Joe. I am all set with the dust caps (found aftermarket
replacement) but continued the thread because I am now in need of
either spindle repair or replacement (excessive wear due to bad
bearing, see message in thread above).

I guess my next step is to remove the spindle and look for markings to
nail down the exact year so I can find a suitable used (low cost,
remember, this is for a trailer) replacement. I already recently
replaced the leaf springs (custom made) and do not want to replace the
entire axle if I dont have to.

I have no use for the brake cylinders but would have to plug the empty
holes in the backing plates once I remove them to keep dirt and such
out of the back side of the spindles. You are welcome to the cylinders
when I can get the spindle issue resolved.

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Joe Way 11 March 2005 03:56:56 [ permanent link ]
 On 6 Mar 2005 08:39:51 -0800, bridgemanusa@hotmai­l.com wrote:
....plug the empty>holes in the backing plates once I remove them to keep dirt and such>out of the back side of the spindles....
===================­=====
The grease seals in the backs of the hubs will keep dirt out of the
bearings.

Many trailer builders stripped off the drums and backing plates when
using car/truck front axles--why carry the extra and unneeded weight
around? The backing plates will unbolt easily. Drums may be more
trouble to remove if the studs are pressed through them, so you might
want to leave them on rather than bother...but with the backing plates
removed, any foreign material will just fall out of the drum.

Joe
--
Heather & Joe Way
Sierra Specialty Automotive
Brake cylinders sleeved with brass
Gus Wilson Stories
http://www.brakecyl­inder.com
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