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CarGuru > Chrysler > 98 grand voyager intermittant starting problem 21 April 2005 03:26:30
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98 grand voyager intermittant starting problem

hawkeye via CarKB.com 17 April 2005 23:54:44
 I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.
Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work
fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc... I
turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it
doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far it
always has).

I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no
fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which could
explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see
if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.
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Bob Shuman 18 April 2005 00:01:30 [ permanent link ]
 Either a dirty connection between the battery and the starter or if these
are all OK, then most likely the starter solenoid contacts. Search the
archives for this newsgroup as this has been covered many times over many
years.

Bob

"hawkeye via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB­.com> wrote in message
news:9b57497eb07d47­059c6f0d07a061ddf0@C­arKB.com...> I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.> Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc...
turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it> doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far
always has).>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which
could> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.


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Maxpower 18 April 2005 01:23:57 [ permanent link ]
 
"hawkeye via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB­.com> wrote in message
news:9b57497eb07d47­059c6f0d07a061ddf0@C­arKB.com...> I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.> Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc...
turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it> doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far
always has).>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which
could> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.

The next time it happens listen very closely for a click under the hood, I
would bet there is a click, and the starter solenoid contacts are bad, it
will just get worse until it wont start at all if the contacts are bad.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


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Dan 18 April 2005 01:26:51 [ permanent link ]
 I just went through this on my Intrepid, when it was cold, it would have
problems. On mine, I could hear the solenoid click when I turned the key,
but starter would not turn. I ended replacing the starter assembly. Do you
hear a loud click when turning the key? As for the Intrepid, the starter and
solenoid was a kit and both had to be replaced.

Dan
"Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethi­s.lucent.com> wrote in message
news:d3ufb6$ora@net­news.proxy.lucent.co­m...> Either a dirty connection between the battery and the starter or if these> are all OK, then most likely the starter solenoid contacts. Search the> archives for this newsgroup as this has been covered many times over many> years.>
"hawkeye via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB­.com> wrote in message> news:9b57497eb07d47­059c6f0d07a061ddf0@C­arKB.com...>> I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.>> Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work>> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc...> I>> turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it>> doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far> it>> always has).>>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no>> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which> could>> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to >> see>> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.>


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Bob Shuman 18 April 2005 02:52:21 [ permanent link ]
 You can certainly replace the starter with a rebuilt or new unit and it will
come with the solenoid attached. But, if you want to save a lot of money,
for basically the exact same amount of labor (you need to remove the starter
in both cases), you can just replace the solenoid contacts and clean up the
plunger ring with a wire brush and some electrical contact cleaner.

The Nippondenso starter motor itself rarely ever goes bad ... it is almost
always the contacts. Search this newsgroup archives for a web site I've
posted a couple times before or just Google on "Nippondenso starter solenoid
contact". The guy operating that site sold them for $5 each (you need two
which are different and there are 4 shapes/sizes available). The guy
operating the site even added Chrysler application info that had been
provided by Dan Stern to identify the right parts for each year/engine type.
I've fixed 5 Chrysler vehicles in the last 3 years and they all had the
symptoms you describe at roughly 5 years of around town use. The difficulty
in getting it started will increase till one day if you don't fix it by then
it will not start at all.

The good news is you usually get a few weeks or maybe even months of warning
... the parts come US mail in about 5-7 days or you can overnight if you are
willing to pay for the postage. The $10 plus shipping beats several hundred
for a rebuilt unit or more for new and you know you still have the high
quality original equipment part and not some cheap imitation which is of
lower quality.

Bob

"Dan" <Dbambach@dlsdls.ne­t> wrote in message
news:l5KdnYhCbdIQSf­_fRVn-pg@dls.net...>­ I just went through this on my Intrepid, when it was cold, it would have> problems. On mine, I could hear the solenoid click when I turned the key,> but starter would not turn. I ended replacing the starter assembly. Do you> hear a loud click when turning the key? As for the Intrepid, the starter
solenoid was a kit and both had to be replaced.>
"Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethi­s.lucent.com> wrote in message> news:d3ufb6$ora@net­news.proxy.lucent.co­m...> > Either a dirty connection between the battery and the starter or if
these> > are all OK, then most likely the starter solenoid contacts. Search the> > archives for this newsgroup as this has been covered many times over
many> > years.> >
"hawkeye via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB­.com> wrote in message> > news:9b57497eb07d47­059c6f0d07a061ddf0@C­arKB.com...> >> I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.> >> Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work> >> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on,
etc...> > I> >> turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes
doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus
always has).> >>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff
first)...no> >> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which> > could> >> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to> >> see> >> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.> >


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Matt Whiting 18 April 2005 04:09:30 [ permanent link ]
 hawkeye via CarKB.com wrote:
I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start. > Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc... I> turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it> doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far it> always has). >
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which could> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.

Yep, it turned out to be the starter.

Matt
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Mic Canic 18 April 2005 04:55:24 [ permanent link ]
 the cheap stuff first would be to clean the battery and terminals

"hawkeye via CarKB.com" wrote:
I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.> Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work> fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc... I> turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it> doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far it> always has).>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no> fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which could> explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see> if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.

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matt ewoldt via CarKB.com 18 April 2005 07:08:20 [ permanent link ]
 I appreciate all of the inputs....I put in a new starter assembly today,
before getting all of the inputs and my van is still playing tricks on me
(same problem). To add a little irony into the mess, it decided not to
start in the parts store parking lot after I returned the old one in. I
tried turning the key several times to no avail....moved the shifter into
reverse and then back into park and bingo, it started right up.

Could it be the ignition switch?

Hawkeye
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Daniel J. Stern 18 April 2005 07:37:15 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, matt ewoldt via CarKB.com wrote:
I appreciate all of the inputs....I put in a new starter assembly today,> before getting all of the inputs and my van is still playing tricks on> me (same problem). To add a little irony into the mess, it decided not> to start in the parts store parking lot after I returned the old one in.> I tried turning the key several times to no avail....moved the shifter> into reverse and then back into park and bingo, it started right up.>
Could it be the ignition switch?

If manipulating the shifter (next time also try "Neutral") worked, then it
is likely the Neutral Safety Switch, which I *think* might be built into
the position selector switch w/the '98 4-speed auto.

DS
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Norvin 19 April 2005 06:26:19 [ permanent link ]
 matt ewoldt via CarKB.com wrote:
I appreciate all of the inputs....I put in a new starter assembly today,>before getting all of the inputs and my van is still playing tricks on me>(same problem). To add a little irony into the mess, it decided not to>start in the parts store parking lot after I returned the old one in. I>tried turning the key several times to no avail....moved the shifter into>reverse and then back into park and bingo, it started right up. >
Could it be the ignition switch?>
Hawkeye>
I had a problem on my 90 Dynasty where the ignition switch was bad. If
you cannot hear any clicking from the starter then you might want to
turn the switch "slowly" several times and see if there is a funny feel.
There is a 'tab' on the switch that may be broken. I replaced the switch
myself in about an hour of work.

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Harrym 21 April 2005 03:26:30 [ permanent link ]
 I had the same problem. Thought I would have to replace the starter,
but it was just a contact in the starter. Less than $100 with labor.
It has worked fine ever since.

"hawkeye via CarKB.com" wrote:>
I have a tempermental 98 GV that periodically decides not to start.>>Symptoms: Turn the key and nothing BUT all vehicle electronics all work>>fine. Dingers ding, instrument cluster comes to life, lights on, etc... I>>turn the ignition off, then back on and sometimes it starts, sometimes it>>doesn't so I continue the ritual until it finally starts (which thus far it>>always has).>>
I changed the starter relay first (start with the cheap stuff first)...no>>fix. I heard that the starter assembly can develop a dead spot which could>>explain this vans issues. Thought I'd throw this problem out there to see>>if anyone else has experienced this type of problem.>

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