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CarGuru > Chrysler > Re: '93 Grand Voyager crank, no start 7 April 2005 09:48:08

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Re: '93 Grand Voyager crank, no start

Treeline 4 April 2005 18:05:15
 "Bill Putney" <bptn@kinex.net> wrote in message news:41a68dad$1_5@1­27.0.0.1...> I can't say that the complete cover-to-cover FSM is accessible thru > alldata, but I can say that on the two vehicles that I have > subscriptions for (and one of which I also have the hard-copy DC FSM for > comparison), I have *never* found a section not there when I looked for > it (sometimes it has taken a few minutes to find the section I need - > it's not organized or categorized like the FSM is). I can say with > confidence that the schematics are all there - again, the ones right out > of the FSM - none of the "typical" (i.e., error-filled and useless) crap > that you find in aftermarket manuals.>
This would have some of the downsides of the CD (as you mentioned, > there's something to be said for flipping thru a hard copy), but the > price is right, especially for a short- or intermediate-term need: $25 > for first vehicle or first year. $15 for any additional vehicles or > annual renewals.>
If interested, you would have to check if they go back to '94, but if > they do, this would be another option for you.> Bill Putney> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > adddress with the letter 'x')

Thanks, good points. Missed this post back then.
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.­com> wrote in message
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I've been scanning Ebay. $20 just buys the owner's manual most> > times. I have yet to see a FSM.>
I gave you a URL of one on Ebay a week ago. Nobody bought it so> the seller relisted it. Here it is again:>
Keep in mind that we are so close to Christmas that sales of most> stuff like this on Ebay are dropping off. Most experienced Ebay> sellers know this and have stopped listing. Listing will pick up again> the first few weeks of January.

Not yet. Well there was one but I missed it.

I have seen a powertrain FSM for> > a 3.3l propane drivetrain or something. But I use gasoline. I> > have never seen a plain vanilla FSM for the 1994 Voyager on eBay> > but I'll keep looking since you said they come up.> >
Uh, your post said 1993, not 1994.>
You need to search for the following:>
"1994 Chrysler manual"> "94 chrysler manual"> "1994 dodge manual"> "94 dodge manual">
I didn't see one when I just checked.>
The 1993 manual may be close enough to get you by, and if you later buy a> 1994> one you can resell the 1993 on Ebay.>
Besides the actual manual there are a number of subsidary diagnostics books> like the following:>
http://cgi.ebay.com­/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI­SAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd­=1&item=7902357348&c­ategory=34217&sspage­name=WD1V>
And yes, if you need something fast, you can get one of these:>
http://cgi.ebay.com­/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI­SAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd­=1&item=7936224125&c­ategory=34218>
I suspect these are illegal copies of the dealership CD's.>
Hemmings, 3/4's, might be good.> >
It's around $65 for a '94 Voyager. Not too bad for brand new,> > including shipping. If Hemmings has it for $45, that's fine.> >
Ebay is really the cheapest place for finding a manual, but you will have to> keep> checking it. It took me about 4 months to collect all 9 model specific> Chrysler manuals> associated with my 1995 T&C when I bought it. And in some cases I had> to buy a group of 4-5 manuals to get 1 of the ones I wanted out of the> group,> I just resold the ones I didn't want back on Ebay.>
But I ended up spending under $200 for the entire set. Worth every penny.>
The problem with Hemmings is that the people selling things there are in> it to make a living doing it. So regardless of what they get their manuals> for - often a few dollars a manual - they sell them for about 70% of the> cost of a new one. It's just low enough so that if you need a set of> manuals> in a hurry that your going to go to the Hemmings sellers before you go> to the factory, but it's not a deal to write home about.>
Ebay is where individuals like you and I go to sell the manuals that we> bought to work on the car that we just sold off or had towed to the> junkyard.> As a result we are quite happy to get 25% of the cost of a new manual -> which is higher than any Hemmings manual seller would ever pay us.> The downside is you have to wait. This is one area where it really really> pays to buy the stuff in advance of when you need it. When your car> is sitting there broken and needs fixing, the higher-priced places that> can give it to you immediately are the only places to go.>
Last time I called the dealer, he would NOT EVEN ORDER the FSM.> > Said to use the 800 number as they do! And I had a discount> > coupon too, rats.> >
Couple years ago, someone was selling CD's of the FSM using PDF> > files, but that's good and bad. I guess he was stopped because of> > copyright laws on eBay.>
I don't think so. I know that guy I complained about him a couple times> myself, because he was literally flooding Ebay with hundreds of variations> of manual posts. I think he had a CD with about 30 manuals on it and> he would just advertise it 30 different ways. I think that what did him in> was he was way too greedy - wanting $29.95 for what was obviously> a pirated dealership CD - and nobody bought his stuff. He must have run> up a huge listing bill with Ebay and then not paid it, because Ebay surely> didn't bother booting him due to my or anyone elses' complaints.>
The people pirating the CD manuals nowadays on Ebay are much more> low key, and they aren't anywhere near as greedy, so I think the Ebay> community tolerates them as an unavoidable evil, I know I do.>

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