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94sundance 20 March 2005 20:44:43
 "I have a 94 plymouth sundance and it wont start. i disconected the
battey for a few hours to reset the computer and now it wont start. i
don`t think that there is any spark could i have fried something. all
the lights work the car just wont turn over i know its not a fuel
problem i`ve tried some engine starter in to the carbaratior and it
wont work still."

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Daniel J. Stern 20 March 2005 22:37:41 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote:
"I have a 94 plymouth sundance and it wont start. i disconected the> battey for a few hours to reset the computer and now it wont start. i> don`t think that there is any spark could i have fried something. all> the lights work the car just wont turn over i know its not a fuel> problem i`ve tried some engine starter in to the carbaratior and it wont> work still."

First step, check for computer codes.

To check the computer codes:

With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on,
leaving it "ON". Do not
go to "start", just "on" during this procedure.

Watch the "Check Engine" or "Power Loss" light. It will turn on, then go
off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have been stored.
For instance, if it flashes:

flash <pause> flash flash
<long pause>
flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash flash
<long pause>
flash flash flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash flash

Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and five) and a
55 (five and five). 55 means "end of codes" or, if by itself, "No codes
stored. Check the codes and report what you find.


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94sundance 21 March 2005 10:55:12 permanent link ]
 "Daniel J. Stern" wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote: >
"I have a 94 plymouth sundance and it wont start. i > disconected the > > battey for a few hours to reset the computer and now it wont > start. i > > don`t think that there is any spark could i have fried > something. all > > the lights work the car just wont turn over i know its not a > fuel > > problem i`ve tried some engine starter in to the carbaratior > and it wont > > work still." >
First step, check for computer codes. >
To check the computer codes: >
With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on, > leaving it "ON". Do not > go to "start", just "on" during this procedure. >
Watch the "Check Engine" or "Power Loss" light. It will turn > on, then go > off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have > been stored. > For instance, if it flashes: >
flash <pause> flash flash > <long pause> > flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash flash > <long pause> > flash flash flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash > flash >
Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and > five) and a > 55 (five and five). 55 means "end of codes" or, if by itself, > "No codes > stored. Check the codes and report what you find.

i got it to start it was the spark plugs they were bad very bad. now
it takes forever to get going i press the acceltior all the way to the
floor and it takes for ever to get going it moves slowley ti`ll it
gets to about 30 then acts normally

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B.Clausen 21 March 2005 23:37:28 permanent link ]
 If the plugs were that bad, did you do the wires, cap and rotor as well? I
just bought a 91 Sundance to drive as a work car, the plugs and everything
associated with them were shot. Major improvement in running after all were
changed.


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Christian M . Mericle 22 March 2005 03:05:02 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:28 GMT, "b.clausen"
<b.clausen@insightb­b.com> wrote:
If the plugs were that bad, did you do the wires, cap and rotor as well? I >just bought a 91 Sundance to drive as a work car, the plugs and everything >associated with them were shot. Major improvement in running after all were >changed.

Have to agree. The no-power-until-abou­t-30-mph sounds very much like
the problem I was having. Replaced plugs and wires at the same time
(no rotor). Problem solved.

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94sundance 22 March 2005 11:36:54 permanent link ]
 "newsgroupinky1" wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:28 GMT, "b.clausen" > <b.clausen@insightb­b.com> wrote: >
If the plugs were that bad, did you do the wires, cap and > rotor as well? I > >just bought a 91 Sundance to drive as a work car, the plugs > and everything > >associated with them were shot. Major improvement in running > after all were > >changed. >
Have to agree. The no-power-until-abou­t-30-mph sounds very > much like > the problem I was having. Replaced plugs and wires at the same > time > (no rotor). Problem solved. >
-- Christian >

planing on doing the plugs and the disdriputer tommorw let you know
how it works

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Christian M . Mericle 22 March 2005 19:15:30 permanent link ]
 On 22 Mar 2005 02:36:54 -0500, 94sundance
<UseLinkToEmail@Aut­oForumz.com> wrote:
"newsgroupinky1" wrote:> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:28 GMT, "b.clausen"> > <b.clausen@insightb­b.com> wrote:> >
If the plugs were that bad, did you do the wires, cap and> > rotor as well? I > > >just bought a 91 Sundance to drive as a work car, the plugs> > and everything > > >associated with them were shot. Major improvement in running> > after all were > > >changed.> >
Have to agree. The no-power-until-abou­t-30-mph sounds very> > much like> > the problem I was having. Replaced plugs and wires at the same> > time> > (no rotor). Problem solved.> >
-- Christian> >
planing on doing the plugs and the disdriputer tommorw let you know>how it works

And the wires. Right?

-- Christian

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94sundance 23 March 2005 00:25:10 permanent link ]
 "newsgroupinky1" wrote: > On 22 Mar 2005 02:36:54 -0500, 94sundance > <UseLinkToEmail@Aut­oForumz.com> wrote: >
"newsgroupinky1" wrote: > &nbsp;> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:28 GMT, "b.clausen" > &nbsp;> > <b.clausen@insightb­b.com> wrote: > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > >If the plugs were that bad, did you do the > wires, cap and > &nbsp;> > rotor as well? I > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > >just bought a 91 Sundance to drive as a work > car, the plugs > &nbsp;> > and everything > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > >associated with them were shot. Major > improvement in running > &nbsp;> > after all were > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > >changed. > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > Have to agree. The no-power-until-abou­t-30-mph > sounds very > &nbsp;> > much like > &nbsp;> > the problem I was having. Replaced plugs and wires > at the same > &nbsp;> > time > &nbsp;> > (no rotor). Problem solved. > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > -- Christian > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarf­ur.org/ > &nbsp;> > World Vision (Darfur) -- > &nbsp;> > > http://donate.wvus.­org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeC­CtpItmDspRte.jsp?sec­tion=10025&item=1072­182 > &nbsp;> > ICC (Sudan) -- > http://www.persecut­ion.org/Countries/su­dan.html > >
planing on doing the plugs and the disdriputer tommorw let > you know > >how it works >
And the wires. Right? >
-- Christian >

i ment the wires ant the distrupiter. already did the plugs

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94sundance 23 March 2005 06:41:22 permanent link ]
 "94sundance" wrote: > i ment the wires ant the distrupiter. already did the plugs

replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a bat out of
he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55
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Daniel J. Stern 23 March 2005 08:25:12 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote:
replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a bat out of> he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55

12: Start of codes
21: Oxygen sensor reading doesn't change
41: Alternator field control circuit open or shorted
55: End of codes

The 21 means that the car will run even better (and get much better
mileage) when you replace the Oxygen sensor, which is not difficult or
expensive to do.

The 41 means your battery is either being undercharged or overcharged;
better get this fixed pronto or you'll get stranded.

DS
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Maxpower 23 March 2005 22:30:42 permanent link ]
 
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>­ wrote in message
news:P­ine.GSO.4.58.­0503222322590.12874@­alumni.engin.umich.e­du...> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote:>
replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a bat out of> > he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55>
12: Start of codes> 21: Oxygen sensor reading doesn't change> 41: Alternator field control circuit open or shorted> 55: End of codes>
The 21 means that the car will run even better (and get much better> mileage) when you replace the Oxygen sensor, which is not difficult or> expensive to do.>
The 41 means your battery is either being undercharged or overcharged;> better get this fixed pronto or you'll get stranded.>
DS

Thats incorrect info again. The first thing you need to do is fix the
charging problem. If it is overcharging or undercharging the sensor values
could be incorrect. With the sensor values working on 5 volts and a
charging system malfunctioning, this could cause all kinds of problems
including rich/lean problems.
Daniel, are you having people throw parts at cars again? Thats not like you
pal!!

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


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Maxpower 23 March 2005 22:45:44 permanent link ]
 
"94sundance" <DoNotEmail@AutoFor­umz.com> wrote in message
news:1_508754_311d6­4602e45433a1644f210b­965a1ef@autoforumz.c­om...> "94sundance" wrote:> > i ment the wires ant the distrupiter. already did the plugs>
replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a bat out of> he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55

Thats incorrect info again. The first thing you need to do is fix the
charging problem. If it is overcharging or undercharging the sensor values
could be incorrect. With the sensor values working on 5 volts and a
charging system malfunctioning, this could cause all kinds of problems
including rich/lean problems.
Daniel, are you having people throw parts at cars again? Thats not like you
pal!!

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


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94sundance 23 March 2005 23:06:10 permanent link ]
 "Daniel J. Stern" wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote: >
replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a > bat out of > > he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55 >
12: Start of codes > 21: Oxygen sensor reading doesn't change > 41: Alternator field control circuit open or shorted > 55: End of codes >
The 21 means that the car will run even better (and get much > better > mileage) when you replace the Oxygen sensor, which is not > difficult or > expensive to do. >
The 41 means your battery is either being undercharged or > overcharged; > better get this fixed pronto or you'll get stranded. >
DS

i used to have a overheating problem with the car and it used to spray
hot coolant all over the alternatior. i think thats what damaged that.

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Maxpower 23 March 2005 23:13:52 permanent link ]
 
"94sundance" <UseLinkToEmail@Aut­oForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_509301_7050e­a0a028384e764a162365­3821cc4@autoforumz.c­om...> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:> > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote:> >
replaced the spark plug wires and now the car runs like a> > bat out of> > > he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 41 55> >
12: Start of codes> > 21: Oxygen sensor reading doesn't change> > 41: Alternator field control circuit open or shorted> > 55: End of codes> >
The 21 means that the car will run even better (and get much> > better> > mileage) when you replace the Oxygen sensor, which is not> > difficult or> > expensive to do.> >
The 41 means your battery is either being undercharged or> > overcharged;> > better get this fixed pronto or you'll get stranded.> >
i used to have a overheating problem with the car and it used to spray> hot coolant all over the alternatior. i think thats what damaged that.>
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Before you throw parts at it make sure the charging system is working
correctly


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94sundance 24 March 2005 07:50:23 permanent link ]
 "damnnickname1" wrote: > "94sundance" <UseLinkToEmail@Aut­oForumz.com> wrote in message > news:1_509301_7050e­a0a028384e764a162365­3821cc4@autoforumz.c­om... > > "Daniel J. Stern" wrote: > &nbsp;> > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote: > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > > replaced the spark plug wires and now the > car runs like a > &nbsp;> > bat out of > &nbsp;&nbsp;> > > he** checked the computer codes i got 12 21 > 41 55 > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > 12: Start of codes > &nbsp;> > 21: Oxygen sensor reading doesn't change > &nbsp;> > 41: Alternator field control circuit open or > shorted > &nbsp;> > 55: End of codes > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > The 21 means that the car will run even better (and > get much > &nbsp;> > better > &nbsp;> > mileage) when you replace the Oxygen sensor, which > is not > &nbsp;> > difficult or > &nbsp;> > expensive to do. > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > The 41 means your battery is either being > undercharged or > &nbsp;> > overcharged; > &nbsp;> > better get this fixed pronto or you'll get > stranded. > &nbsp;> > > &nbsp;> > DS > >
i used to have a overheating problem with the car and it > used to spray > > hot coolant all over the alternatior. i think thats what > damaged that. > >
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Before you throw parts at it make sure the charging system is > working > correctly

the charging system seems fine ive never had a problem with it.
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Joe Pfeiffer 24 March 2005 09:19:04 permanent link ]
 94sundance <DoNotEmail@AutoFor­umz.com> writes:> > Before you throw parts at it make sure the charging system is> > working> > correctly>
the charging system seems fine ive never had a problem with it.

No... you've got a code saying that you've got a problem with your
charging system. That means it doesn't seem fine at the moment, no
matter how little trouble you've had with it up until now. It's time
to find out if it's still fine.
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94sundance 25 March 2005 22:42:46 permanent link ]
 "Joe Pfeiffer" wrote: > 94sundance <DoNotEmail@AutoFor­umz.com> writes: > &nbsp;> > Before you throw parts at it make sure the charging > system is > &nbsp;> > working > &nbsp;> > correctly > >
the charging system seems fine ive never had a problem with > it. >
No... you've got a code saying that you've got a problem with > your > charging system. That means it doesn't seem fine at the > moment, no > matter how little trouble you've had with it up until now. > It's time > to find out if it's still fine. > -- > Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 > Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 > New Mexico State University > http://www.cs.nmsu.­edu/~pfeiffer

i just checked the computer agian and it only had a code 21 now and
its not running as well as it was.

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Daniel J. Stern 25 March 2005 23:26:13 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, 94sundance wrote:
i just checked the computer agian and it only had a code 21 now and its> not running as well as it was.

Oxygen sensor
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Maxpower 26 March 2005 01:01:15 permanent link ]
 
"94sundance" <UseLinkToEmail@Aut­oForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_511164_14288­3743935e76cde46ff26a­9bdb9ea@autoforumz.c­om...> "Joe Pfeiffer" wrote:> > 94sundance <DoNotEmail@AutoFor­umz.com> writes:> > &nbsp;> > Before you throw parts at it make sure the charging> > system is> > &nbsp;> > working> > &nbsp;> > correctly> > >
the charging system seems fine ive never had a problem with> > it.> >
No... you've got a code saying that you've got a problem with> > your> > charging system. That means it doesn't seem fine at the> > moment, no> > matter how little trouble you've had with it up until now.> > It's time> > to find out if it's still fine.> > -- > > Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605> > Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002> > New Mexico State University> > http://www.cs.nmsu.­edu/~pfeiffer>
i just checked the computer agian and it only had a code 21 now and> its not running as well as it was.>
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Yup, replace the 02 sensor, but if you ever have a charging problem, be it
over or undercharging, thats the first thing you need to correct before
anything else.


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Funguy 5 October 2005 06:41:03 permanent link ]
 sounds like you need to check the fuel pump or a stopped up gas filter but
telling what kind of car you have would help..

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