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Re: Chrysler 300 vs. Dodge Magnum?
NJ Vike 23 January 2005 15:18:23
	Sounds like Daimler is a little nervous Is the new Charger still going to be made available? What about the 425 HP engine? I guess if they do make it for the Charger then this might be an option for the 300C? I wonder if the Pacifica will get the Hemi soon. Seems like people here are stating that the current engine doesn't provide enough power. Ken "MoPar Man" <MoPar@Man.com> wrote in message news:41F29A07.7D6E6F93@Man.com...> Trouble is, Daimler cut off their nose to spite their> face. More upscale cars from Chrysler would have competed with Jap> cars more than Merc, and Chrysler could have stolen market share from,> say, Cadillac or Infinity with more classy Chrysler cars.> Chrysler, with the 300M, was looking at the export market in Europe.> Daimler would have NONE of that, and did absolutely NOTHING to help> the 300M to be marketed in Europe. The "in-your-face" typically> American style of the 300C garantees that there will be NO demand in> Europe for the LX cars, which is exactly what Daimler wants.
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Peter A. Stavrakoglou 23 January 2005 20:54:12 [ permanent link ]
	"NJ Vike" <ErieLackawanna@Scranton.com> wrote in message news:3KLId.4676$cZ1.476@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...> Sounds like Daimler is a little nervous > Is the new Charger still going to be made available? What about the 425 HP > engine? I guess if they do make it for the Charger then this might be an > option for the 300C? Plans have already been made to put the 425 HP Hemi in the AWD 300.
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Dori A Schmetterling 24 January 2005 03:55:49 [ permanent link ]
	That's called family resemblance. Not confined to Mercedes. A C-Class and an S-Class are still different cars, for example, as are 3 and 7-series BMWs... Or are you suggesting they are not? If you don't like a Merc for any reason, buy something else, etc. What's the gripe? DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "MoPar Man" <MoPar@Man.com> wrote in message news:41F3EA11.23D51CCA@Man.com... [...] all visually similar on the> outside, the way a lot of Merc cars are). [...]
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Dori A Schmetterling 24 January 2005 04:00:00 [ permanent link ]
	A bold assertion. Purely a matter of opinion, don't you think? DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:lISdndGTNfLmr2ncRVn-gA@comcast.com... [...] The Benz's have always been ugly. [...]
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James C. Reeves 24 January 2005 04:11:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:41f43a87$0$19157$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...>A bold assertion. Purely a matter of opinion, don't you think?> DAS I don't disagree that's it opinion. But, I don't know many people that disagree with me on it.
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Dori A Schmetterling 24 January 2005 18:06:27 [ permanent link ]
	Must be something in American genes... DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:dc-dnR7QV92HoGncRVn-pQ@comcast.com...> [...]> But, I don't know many people that disagree with me on it.>
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Dori A Schmetterling 25 January 2005 02:24:08 [ permanent link ]
	How about the other way round? DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:ttSdnbo_s94lr2jcRVn-ug@texas.net... [...] Now they all look just like your average Nisshondoyota.
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Steve 25 January 2005 03:11:47 [ permanent link ]
	Dori A Schmetterling wrote: How about the other way round?> DAS I don't think so. In particular, MB rear taillamp treatments on the market this year look VERY much like Hondas and Camrys from 3-5 years ago. Ah, found some supporting photos. 2003 Honduhh Accord coupe: http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg 2005 Benz CL: http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg If those aren't clones, I don't know what qualifies. Yes, I'd rather have the Benz (as a former frequent-poster once told me, I have a "feral hatred" of Asian cars). But I'd rather have a '71 GTX than either of them http://www.moparmuscleclub-sa.org/images/MMCSA_2002/P9281823.jpg Its all part of the homogenization of automotive styling. Very few designs truly stand out anymore, and the Magnum/300C definitely do. So do the Cadillacs and the Pontiac Aztek, but to my eye they stand out in a BAD way. Kinda like the way a skunk stands out in a flower garden.
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Steve 25 January 2005 03:14:12 [ permanent link ]
	Steve wrote: Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> How about the other way round?>> I don't think so. In particular, MB rear taillamp treatments on the > market this year look VERY much like Hondas and Camrys from 3-5 years ago.> Ah, found some supporting photos.> 2003 Honduhh Accord coupe:> http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg Obviously that's NOT the link I intended to put there. This is: http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/HondaAccordCoupe/Images/LeftRear.jpg 2005 Benz CL:> http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg> If those aren't clones, I don't know what qualifies. Yes, I'd rather > have the Benz (as a former frequent-poster once told me, I have a "feral > hatred" of Asian cars). But I'd rather have a '71 GTX than either of > them > http://www.moparmuscleclub-sa.org/images/MMCSA_2002/P9281823.jpg> Its all part of the homogenization of automotive styling. Very few > designs truly stand out anymore, and the Magnum/300C definitely do. So > do the Cadillacs and the Pontiac Aztek, but to my eye they stand out in > a BAD way. Kinda like the way a skunk stands out in a flower garden.
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Dori A Schmetterling 25 January 2005 15:13:26 [ permanent link ]
	I see the resemblance but I am not sure it means much, since the MB lights are an evolution of what went before. The shape also reminds me of one or two other makers. At the end of the day there are bound to be similarities since car designers influence each other and also work within the same wind tunnel parameters (unless you're working for a Detroit Big Three and don't give a toss about wind resistance in a land of cheap petrol). I think the Big 3 (I hesitate to say "US manufacturers" since that can include, as you put it, Nisshondoyota) have produced some unbelievably ugly cars, mixing plastic and metal rooves, for example, but I think in recent years the products have become much more attractive -- in my eyes of course, but I could find plenty of (European) people to agree with me.. . I have mixed feelings about the 300C and the reviews I have read here in the UK also tend to be mixed. The shape is a 'love-it-or-hate' style. We shall see how it sells in Europe, as DC ramps up its Chrysler marketing here. Maybe sales will never be high, but there are major precedents for this. Both GM and Ford have, as you know, vast operations outside the US, but you don't see a lot of Cadillacs here. In this sense DC now is little different from GM or Ford, having separate operations in US and Europe, with only some interchange between them. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:VcmdnTKJC9LZHGjcRVn-vQ@texas.net...> Steve wrote:> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:>> How about the other way round?>>> I don't think so. In particular, MB rear taillamp treatments on the >> market this year look VERY much like Hondas and Camrys from 3-5 years >> ago.>> Ah, found some supporting photos.>> 2003 Honduhh Accord coupe:>> http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg> Obviously that's NOT the link I intended to put there. This is:> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/HondaAccordCoupe/Images/LeftRear.jpg> 2005 Benz CL:>> http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/CL500C_main.jpg>> If those aren't clones, I don't know what qualifies. Yes, I'd rather have >> the Benz (as a former frequent-poster once told me, I have a "feral >> hatred" of Asian cars). But I'd rather have a '71 GTX than either of them >> >> http://www.moparmuscleclub-sa.org/images/MMCSA_2002/P9281823.jpg>> [...]
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Steve 25 January 2005 19:36:45 [ permanent link ]
	Dori A Schmetterling wrote: Both GM and Ford have, as you know, vast operations outside the US, but you > don't see a lot of Cadillacs here. Nope. You get Opels, Australia gets Holdens, and we occasionally get an Opel hauled over here, face-lifted and marketed unsuccessfully as a Cadillac (ie, the Catera). Our current Pontiac GTO is a re-worked Holden- wonderful mechanically but given such nondescript styling that its going to be doomed to about the same fate as the Catera In this sense DC now is little different from GM or Ford, having separate > operations in US and Europe, with only some interchange between them. Same as it was 30 years ago before Chrysler scaled back its own European (and Austrialian, and South African) manufacturing and marketing divisons. That's part of what Chrysler was going to "get back" with the "merger" with Mercedes.... of course things turned out a bit differently.
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Geoff 25 January 2005 22:17:06 [ permanent link ]
	Dori A Schmetterling wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:28:51 -0000> From: Dori A Schmetterling <ng@nospam.co.uk>> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.chrysler> Subject: Re: Chrysler 300 vs. Dodge Magnum?> See below.> --> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling> ---> "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message> news:G9KdnchAJNoT-mvcRVn-hw@texas.net...> > Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> > Both GM and Ford have, as you know, vast operations outside the US, but> >> you don't see a lot of Cadillacs here.> > Nope. You get Opels, Australia gets Holdens, and we occasionally get an> > Opel hauled over here, face-lifted and marketed unsuccessfully as a> > Cadillac (ie, the Catera). Our current Pontiac GTO is a re-worked Holden-> > wonderful mechanically but given such nondescript styling that its going> > to be doomed to about the same fate as the Catera > DAS: What do you mean "nope"? That's Texan for "I agree with your previous statement, which implied the negative." You should feel honored. Steve wrote to you as he would have any of his friends or relatives in Texas, which makes you an honorary Texan, at least for the duration of this thread. Don't fight it, Dori my dear, it's rather invigorating. --Geoff (watching for inbound starters)
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Peter A. Stavrakoglou 26 January 2005 02:26:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:41f629dc$0$19155$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...>I see the resemblance but I am not sure it means much, since the MB lights >are an evolution of what went before. The shape also reminds me of one or >two other makers.> At the end of the day there are bound to be similarities since car > designers influence each other and also work within the same wind tunnel > parameters (unless you're working for a Detroit Big Three and don't give a > toss about wind resistance in a land of cheap petrol).> I think the Big 3 (I hesitate to say "US manufacturers" since that can > include, as you put it, Nisshondoyota) have produced some unbelievably > ugly cars, mixing plastic and metal rooves, for example, but I think in > recent years the products have become much more attractive -- in my eyes > of course, but I could find plenty of (European) people to agree with me.. > .> I have mixed feelings about the 300C and the reviews I have read here in > the UK also tend to be mixed. The shape is a 'love-it-or-hate' style. We > shall see how it sells in Europe, as DC ramps up its Chrysler marketing > here. Maybe sales will never be high, but there are major precedents for > this.> Both GM and Ford have, as you know, vast operations outside the US, but > you don't see a lot of Cadillacs here.> In this sense DC now is little different from GM or Ford, having separate > operations in US and Europe, with only some interchange between them.> DAS I prefer European and even Japanese styling over most American cars. Although the Catera is an "Americanized" Opel, I'd prefer just about any Europen version of a European car to an "Americanized" version. It's been many years since I was in Greece (almost nine years) but I recall seeing many cars whose styling I liked - Seat, Skods, Fiat, Citroen, etc. You just don't get those kinds of cars here. That said, I was a sucker for the 300C, I fell in love with it the moment I saw it.
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Percival P. Cassidy 26 January 2005 19:59:24 [ permanent link ]
	Either remove the "-- " (may be added automatically by your newsreader software if you specify a signature to be used automatically) or put the body of your message above the sig. Perce On 01/26/05 06:39 am Dori A Schmetterling tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: Would it help if I took it out?
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Dori A Schmetterling 27 January 2005 01:51:10 [ permanent link ]
	Test 1 of 2: double dash not removed. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:L-CdnUOzY-PidGrcRVn-ug@texas.net...> Well, whatever you did differently WORKED. This message (quoted below) > shows up with proper attribution when I hit "reply" (Mozilla 1.6, by the > way).> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> That is odd. The body of the message is usually above the signature, >> unless I intersperse my comments ('bottom-post') with the previous >> poster's.>> Here I manually removed the double dash. I just checked. It looks like >> it's put in automatically.>> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling>> --->> "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote in message >> news:N9PJd.8489$9P1.3089@fe03.lga...>> Either remove the "-- " (may be added automatically by your newsreader >>>software if you specify a signature to be used automatically) or put the >>>body of your message above the sig.>>> Perce>>> [...]>>
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Dori A Schmetterling 27 January 2005 01:51:53 [ permanent link ]
	Test 2 of 2: Double dash manually removed. Does this look different from Test 1? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:L-CdnUOzY-PidGrcRVn-ug@texas.net...> Well, whatever you did differently WORKED. This message (quoted below) > shows up with proper attribution when I hit "reply" (Mozilla 1.6, by the > way).> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> That is odd. The body of the message is usually above the signature, >> unless I intersperse my comments ('bottom-post') with the previous >> poster's.>> Here I manually removed the double dash. I just checked. It looks like >> it's put in automatically.>> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling>> --->> "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote in message >> news:N9PJd.8489$9P1.3089@fe03.lga...>> Either remove the "-- " (may be added automatically by your newsreader >>>software if you specify a signature to be used automatically) or put the >>>body of your message above the sig.>>> Perce>>> [...]>>
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Bill Putney 27 January 2005 03:20:54 [ permanent link ]
	Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> Would it help if I took it out? That's what she said. 8^) Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x')
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Dori A Schmetterling 27 January 2005 15:04:06 [ permanent link ]
	LoL DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Bill Putney" <bptn@kinex.net> wrote in message news:ct98od$272$1@news.isdn.net...> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:>> Would it help if I took it out?> That's what she said. 8^)> Bill Putney> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > adddress with the letter 'x')
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Dori A Schmetterling 27 January 2005 20:19:46 [ permanent link ]
	Good summary altogther, I thought. Even in diesel-unfriendly Britain, the share of new diesel sales is rising rapidly. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "news" <blahblah@blah.com> wrote in message news:uuSdnTNBYKu-Y2XcRVn-rA@cablespeedmd.com... http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/12/30/features/auto/oeurope1010.txt>
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Steve 27 January 2005 20:40:21 [ permanent link ]
	Modern passenger cars and light-truck diesels are a far cry from the disasters of the 70s and 80s. Clean, powerful, and easy to live with. Even the heavy-truck based Cummins we get in the full-sized Rams over here is now almost as quiet as a gasoline engine, much more efficient, and doesn't smoke even on our higher-sulfur diesel fuel. Dori A Schmetterling wrote: Good summary altogther, I thought. Even in diesel-unfriendly Britain, the > share of new diesel sales is rising rapidly.> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling> ---> "news" <blahblah@blah.com> wrote in message> news:uuSdnTNBYKu-Y2XcRVn-rA@cablespeedmd.com...> http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/12/30/features/auto/oeurope1010.txt>>
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Dori A Schmetterling 28 January 2005 16:28:29 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks. Shall try to remove double dash manually for all you Mozilla fans. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:CYOdnX-f0pSIhWTcRVn-jg@texas.net...> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> Test 1 of 2: double dash not removed.>> Now THIS one has all the other attribution deleted... so deleting the > double dash did the trick.>
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