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New 5-series "only" the 10th ugliest
Fbloogyudsr 29 April 2005 18:47:23
	The CarTalk guys: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wheels/221878_talk29.html Tom: Well, the people have spoken. And what they've said is, "Yecch!" Ray: We held a contest to name the ugliest new cars for sale today. Readers of the column and listeners of our radio show made nominations, and folks voted on our Web site. And the results are in. Tom: We'll work our way up (or should I say down?) to the ugliest car, starting with the runners-up. Remember, we don't necessarily agree with all of these choices, although we wholeheartedly agree with some of them. But this is what you guys think. Ray: Runner-up No. 10 is the BMW 5 Series, which was uglified a few years ago in an unfortunate redesign. Said one voter: "It looks like a Pontiac on acid."
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Matt O'Toole 29 April 2005 22:10:48 [ permanent link ]
	fbloogyudsr wrote: The CarTalk guys:> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wheels/221878_talk29.html> Tom: Well, the people have spoken. And what they've said is, "Yecch!"> Ray: We held a contest to name the ugliest new cars for sale today.> Readers of the column and listeners of our radio show made> nominations, and folks voted on our Web site. And the results are in.> Tom: We'll work our way up (or should I say down?) to the ugliest car,> starting with the runners-up. Remember, we don't necessarily agree> with all of these choices, although we wholeheartedly agree with some> of them. But this is what you guys think.> Ray: Runner-up No. 10 is the BMW 5 Series, which was uglified a few> years ago in an unfortunate redesign. Said one voter: "It looks like> a Pontiac on acid." I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull as dishwater. Matt O.
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Dave Plowman 29 April 2005 23:18:44 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3dfbm4F6t113gU1@individual.net>, Matt O'Toole <matt@deltanet.com> wrote:> I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull> as dishwater. I thought the E34 in the right colour one of the most handsome cars ever. Looked stunning in unfashionable white. The E39 is a bit bland. When I first saw one I thought it a 3-Series variant. But it doesn't offend. The current one - especially head on - just looks plain wrong. The windscreen looks too high. Difficult to sort. The headlamps have that Dame Edna look which could be sorted. -- What happens when none of your bees wax? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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SharkmanBMW 30 April 2005 02:39:48 [ permanent link ]
	are you mad??? the E34 is one of the sweetest most elegant cars around!, still after 15 years it is one of BMWs finest ever. http://www.cardomain.com/id/skullfracturebmw "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message news:3dfbm4F6t113gU1@individual.net...> fbloogyudsr wrote:> I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull as> dishwater.> Matt O.>
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John Carrier 30 April 2005 03:03:24 [ permanent link ]
	"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message news:3dfbm4F6t113gU1@individual.net...> fbloogyudsr wrote:> The CarTalk guys:>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wheels/221878_talk29.html>> Tom: Well, the people have spoken. And what they've said is, "Yecch!">> Ray: We held a contest to name the ugliest new cars for sale today.>> Readers of the column and listeners of our radio show made>> nominations, and folks voted on our Web site. And the results are in.>> Tom: We'll work our way up (or should I say down?) to the ugliest car,>> starting with the runners-up. Remember, we don't necessarily agree>> with all of these choices, although we wholeheartedly agree with some>> of them. But this is what you guys think.>> Ray: Runner-up No. 10 is the BMW 5 Series, which was uglified a few>> years ago in an unfortunate redesign. Said one voter: "It looks like>> a Pontiac on acid."> I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull as> dishwater. Opinions vary. I think the E39 has staying power. But I do wish they had placed a potent six in it ala the 3.8 liter E34 M5. The new E90 appears to reflect a return to the bimmer esthetic. Perhaps I'm just hopeful after the Z4, 7, 5, 6 designs. The E60 was the prime motivation for me to purchase an E39. R / John
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Bobukcat 30 April 2005 03:34:45 [ permanent link ]
	When the wife decided to buy the new 545 I was no fan of the looks at all, now that I get to drive it often I believe it is much better looking! The performance skews one's opinion. I can't for the life of me understand why it continues to get such poor response from the car rags, and if those fools can't figure out the IDrive (especially when accompanied by the voice recognition system with the NAV) in a few minutes then they are either tecnophobs or total morons. It may not be the best system in the world but it is FAR from being as bad as they make it out to be. Couple the all-rpm power of the V8, the super smooth shifts of the transmission and the unbelievable active suspension with the niceties of the interior and I suddenly find it very attractive indeed. "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message news:3dfbm4F6t113gU1@individual.net...> fbloogyudsr wrote:> The CarTalk guys:> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wheels/221878_talk29.html> > Tom: Well, the people have spoken. And what they've said is, "Yecch!"> > Ray: We held a contest to name the ugliest new cars for sale today.> > Readers of the column and listeners of our radio show made> > nominations, and folks voted on our Web site. And the results are in.> > Tom: We'll work our way up (or should I say down?) to the ugliest car,> > starting with the runners-up. Remember, we don't necessarily agree> > with all of these choices, although we wholeheartedly agree with some> > of them. But this is what you guys think.> > Ray: Runner-up No. 10 is the BMW 5 Series, which was uglified a few> > years ago in an unfortunate redesign. Said one voter: "It looks like> > a Pontiac on acid."> I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull as> dishwater.> Matt O.>
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Dave Plowman 1 May 2005 12:32:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1mWce.1412$AU4.2241@news.uswest.net>, Daniel Arrepas <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote:> > When I bought my current E39, I tested all the UK opposition myself.> > So no US cars were included.> > And I agreed with the UK mags, it was simply the best in class - and> > by some margin. I too was an E39 owner, twice. And the cars were great, but never, ever> as good as claimed. If iDrive is a ergonomic nightmare and a safety> problem....what the hell is the mess of buttons and rockers the e39 had> down low on the center dash where changing anything meant taking your> eyes far of the road. How often do you need to change climate control settings? The only awkward controls I find are the cruse on/off and the DSC disable. But I can't say this spoils the car for me. At least the radio is in a sensible place. The ashtray is stupid, though. Too small and in the wrong place. The bottom line is that the new car has a better chassis, better> dynamics, better suspension, R&P steering for all models, better> powerplants, better times..I mean in driving terms just better. But> now, because the exterior is changed, suddenly driving doesn't matter> and ergonomics (despite BMW's long history of eccentricity on this> point) do. UK mags have been complimentary about them in general - but not the variable steering and run flat tyres. However, the look of a car is important. And while the E39 was the leader of the pack at launch, not so the E60. Other makes have moved on too. I think it is fine, and I think BMW as a company needed to get> criticized rather than suckled. They've got the best sedans on the road> right now in terms of driving, and maybe now they will start to take a> look at some of the things they took for granted (ergonomics, interior> design, finish, materials) because no mag ever took them to task on> them. You've not read Autocar? The interiors of the current cars don't bother me, those things are> never much important to me...hell I enjoy driving a pickup, but if BMW> ever wants the kind of love-licks they got for the last 10 years again,> they will have to match the competition in the frilly department. Let's> just hope they don't forget the reason their cars are the cars everyone> else sets as a benchmark though. Yes. I like my E39 because it's a pleasure to drive - and I'm still not tired of it. I like the combination of adequate performance, comfort and handling. Others will have different priorities. -- *If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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Malt_Hound 1 May 2005 13:25:19 [ permanent link ]
	I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as dull as> dishwater.> Matt O. I have never heard the E34 called dull looking before. -Fred W
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Malt_Hound 1 May 2005 14:02:31 [ permanent link ]
	Daniel Arrepas wrote:> I too was an E39 owner, twice. And the cars were great, but never, ever as > good as claimed. If iDrive is a ergonomic nightmare and a safety > problem....what the hell is the mess of buttons and rockers the e39 had down > low on the center dash where changing anything meant taking your eyes far of > the road.> The bottom line is that the new car has a better chassis, better dynamics, > better suspension, R&P steering for all models, better powerplants, better > times..I mean in driving terms just better. But now, because the exterior is > changed, suddenly driving doesn't matter and ergonomics (despite BMW's long > history of eccentricity on this point) do.> I think it is fine, and I think BMW as a company needed to get criticized > rather than suckled. They've got the best sedans on the road right now in > terms of driving, and maybe now they will start to take a look at some of > the things they took for granted (ergonomics, interior design, finish, > materials) because no mag ever took them to task on them. Consider this: If this is the way you (or anyone else for that matter) feels about these new BMWs then it is really a win/win. You like the car, it gets bad reviews. I fail to understand why it is so important to anyone that the car magazines rate a particular car (one that they already like) highly? If anything, I would like them to pan it so that model will be in less demand and I would then be able to buy them less expensively. When the mags all moon over a particular model, the dealer actual selling prices go higher and higher (up to and over MSRP) as everyone rushes to buy it. Supply and demand, and all that... -Fred W
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Dave Plowman 1 May 2005 15:44:44 [ permanent link ]
	In article <D7OdnQHsxNqbPenfRVn-gg@adelphia.com>, Malt_Hound <Malt_Hound@spamyahoo.com> wrote:> > I'm no big fan of the new 5, but the previous two versions were as> > dull as dishwater.> > Matt O. I have never heard the E34 called dull looking before. Absolutely. One of the best looking BMWs ever. It just looks so right from any angle. -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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Daniel Arrepas 2 May 2005 03:56:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Malt_Hound" <Malt_Hound@spamyahoo.com> wrote in message news:5aKdnf5a-NUjNenfRVn-vg@adelphia.com... Consider this: If this is the way you (or anyone else for that matter) > feels about these new BMWs then it is really a win/win. You like the car, > it gets bad reviews. Well, it's a traditional driving BMW with superb powerplants, but I'm not sold on the exterior design. It doesn't offend, but it also isn't a plus. Maybe I'm goofy though, because I don't get to upset over looks. It is certainly a valid concern for anyone spending money, but cars come and go, and with but a few exceptions I don't keep them long, and after getting a bit on in years I realize that for me it isn't a matter of great consideration....or at least greater than other considerations. I fail to understand why it is so important to anyone that the car > magazines rate a particular car (one that they already like) highly? Well, I don't think it does across the board....otherwise BMW would have had a hard time setting sales records with the 5 and 7, in every major market they supply. One has to admit that is a pretty impressive feat considering the lambasting the cars have received in the press. Even with discounts, which I don't know are as prevelant as suggested, it would be pretty hard to set sales records the like of which they have recently. It's a strange dichotomy when you think about it. Overwhelming success on the block, yet a massive failure in the press. I don't know that I have ever witnessed such a situation in my life-time. Maybe someone could suggest another model or make with a similar experience, because othet than econo-boxes I can't think of one right at the moment. If anything, I would like them to pan it so that model will be in less > demand and I would then be able to buy them less expensively. Most people don't keep cars long though and if initial cost won't hold the resale is going to fall off even more dramatically. For a car that has for years held up well in the marketplace....that would be tough money to lose. When the mags all moon over a particular model, the dealer actual selling > prices go higher and higher (up to and over MSRP) as everyone rushes to > buy it. Supply and demand, and all that... No doubt.
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