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CarGuru > BMW > OT: The long slow death or Rover 9 April 2005 02:17:34
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OT: The long slow death or Rover

Dori A Schmetterling 7 April 2005 21:13:53
 Slightly off-topic but just heard the news that Rover might finally stop
production (unless the UK government bails it out with a 100m pound loan).
Suppliers are very concerned about being paid. I don't want the government
to use my money to prop this farce up any longer.

They are in talks with a Shanghai automobile company, but if I were the
Chinese I would run a mile, nay ten miles. Apparently they are interested
in the technology and the brand names (not the production plant). Why, I
don't know... Well, maybe they can wait for the company to fold and then buy
the relevant bits cheaply.

Will the company be put out of its misery, finally ? The BMW episode
finally proved, in my opinion, that the Rover company was/is the walking
dead.

The current top management includes, again IMO, some crooks, in that they
promised to keep production above 200 000 per year. In the meantime they
paid themselves large salaries and stuffed their pension funds while
stuffing their workers...

The good bits are out of there anyway: Land Rover (Ford) and Mini (BMW).

RIP.

DAS

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Randy 8 April 2005 12:22:35 [ permanent link ]
 Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
...>
Will the company be put out of its misery, finally ? The BMW episode > finally proved, in my opinion, that the Rover company was/is the walking > dead.

Now it's officially dead. Rover is in receivership.

http://www.thisislo­ndon.co.uk/news/busi­ness/articles/timid3­99539?source=

Well, at least BMW got 10 pounds for it.

Randy
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Badger 8 April 2005 12:52:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Randy" <joe@burgershack.co­m> wrote in message
news:fbr5e.39372$ij­5.5475@tornado.texas­.rr.com...> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:> ...>>
Will the company be put out of its misery, finally ? The BMW episode >> finally proved, in my opinion, that the Rover company was/is the walking >> dead.>
Now it's officially dead. Rover is in receivership.>
http://www.thisislo­ndon.co.uk/news/busi­ness/articles/timid3­99539?source=>
Well, at least BMW got 10 pounds for it.>
Randy

No, Randy, they got a lot more than that! They got the name "mini" and the
4wd technology that they desparately needed, that would have cost them
millions in development costs, and saved a whole lot of development time
into the bargain.
Rover shouldn't even have existed really, the company almost folded in the
very late 70's, being saved only by what was the then intended mini
replacement, the Metro. A thoroughly disgusting O.A.P.'s rusty motorised
shopping trolley, the only saving grace of which was the development of the
amazing 6R4 rally machine. I've been a "passenger" in one on a rally stage,
and believe me when I say it's the only metro I've ever wanted to get in
again!
The company has suffered from various incompetent management strategies and
trade union dictators over the years, jumped into bed with various partners
in an attempt to keep its head above water, the best of all being Honda as
products really did improve once they had a hand. Various owners failed to
make any real investment after the government sold it off and let's face it,
the worst period of ownership was with BMW. I tend to refer to that as the
"asset stripping" period.
At the end of the day, rover were left as a small manufacturer with only one
decent product, the BMW assisted Rover 75 design, and reducing sales due to
future uncertainty, coupled with considerable overheads. Something had to
give.
It's a shame in some ways, as they gave us quite a few really innovative
cars over the years (under their various names - BMC, BLMC, Leyland Cars,
British Leyland, Rover Group etc etc) such as the Mini and Morris 1100,
(front wheel drive pioneers), Maxi, (ultimate car for camping!), Princess (I
defy anyone to find me another UK market car with more legroom and comfort
at the price!!) and of course the SD1. One of their most under-rated cars
ever was the fairly recent Rover 600 series, the best handling chassis ever
to have a rover badge on it. It was based on the Honda Accord but was a
joint design venture between Rover and Honda - I had one before buying a
BMW, the bm being the only car that could match or surpass the whole driving
experience of the 600!! Praise indeed, in fact, the 600 was more reliable.

Rover. R.I.P.

Badger.


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Dotcom Computers 8 April 2005 14:28:27 [ permanent link ]
 In news:d35go1$786$1@h­ercules.btinternet.c­om,
Badger <brianhattonnospamm­ers@beeeteeeinnit.co­m> typed:> "Randy" <joe@burgershack.co­m> wrote in message> news:fbr5e.39372$ij­5.5475@tornado.texas­.rr.com...>> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:>> ...>>>
Will the company be put out of its misery, finally ? The BMW>>> episode finally proved, in my opinion, that the Rover company>>> was/is the walking dead.>>
Now it's officially dead. Rover is in receivership.>>
http://www.thisislo­ndon.co.uk/news/busi­ness/articles/timid3­99539?source=>>
Well, at least BMW got 10 pounds for it.>>
Randy
Unfortunately, with the impending general election here in the UK, along
with the recent postal vote scandal in Birmingham, The Labour Government
will bail out Rover in an attempt to shore up the votes in the area.

It is time for Rover to be closed down, and tbh this is what should have
happened when BMW sold the place - the money that generated should have been
used to retrain the staff and find them new jobs.


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Dave Plowman 8 April 2005 16:45:05 [ permanent link ]
 In article <j-udnWeK6aFYwcvfRV­nyjg@pipex.net>,
Dotcom Computers <dotcom@invalid.dot­com-computers.co.uk.­invalid> wrote:> Unfortunately, with the impending general election here in the UK, along > with the recent postal vote scandal in Birmingham, The Labour Government > will bail out Rover in an attempt to shore up the votes in the area.

Think you'll find you're wrong.

In any case, there are EU rules against this. You'd be subsidising the
making of one product thus giving it an unfair advantage over the
competition from other EU countries.
It is time for Rover to be closed down, and tbh this is what should have> happened when BMW sold the place - the money that generated should have> been used to retrain the staff and find them new jobs.

If a subsidy had been allowed, it should have been given to BMW to allow
then to develop the new models needed, and to modernise the factories.

At least BMW have a proven track record in making profitable cars that the
public want to buy.

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Dotcom Computers 8 April 2005 20:44:07 [ permanent link ]
 In news:4d58622ba2dave­@davenoise.co.uk,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.­uk> typed:> In article <j-udnWeK6aFYwcvfRV­nyjg@pipex.net>,> Dotcom Computers <dotcom@invalid.dot­com-computers.co.uk.­invalid>> wrote:>> Unfortunately, with the impending general election here in the UK,>> along with the recent postal vote scandal in Birmingham, The Labour>> Government will bail out Rover in an attempt to shore up the votes>> in the area.>
Think you'll find you're wrong.>
In any case, there are EU rules against this. You'd be subsidising the> making of one product thus giving it an unfair advantage over the> competition from other EU countries.>

Better mention that to the french then!
It is time for Rover to be closed down, and tbh this is what should>> have happened when BMW sold the place - the money that generated>> should have been used to retrain the staff and find them new jobs.>
If a subsidy had been allowed, it should have been given to BMW to> allow then to develop the new models needed, and to modernise the> factories.>
At least BMW have a proven track record in making profitable cars> that the public want to buy.

Very true, but BMW didn't want to compete with itself, which is why many
people reckon the Rovers got better once they were out of BMW's hands.


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Dave Plowman 8 April 2005 21:19:22 [ permanent link ]
 In article <3LWdnculq7BTKcvfRV­nygA@pipex.net>,
Dotcom Computers <dotcom@invalid.dot­com-computers.co.uk.­invalid> wrote:> Very true, but BMW didn't want to compete with itself, which is why many > people reckon the Rovers got better once they were out of BMW's hands.

You're joking? The only decent car Rover make is the 75 which was designed
in the BMW era.

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Dotcom Computers 9 April 2005 02:03:01 [ permanent link ]
 In news:4d587b4839dave­@davenoise.co.uk,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.­uk> typed:> In article <3LWdnculq7BTKcvfRV­nygA@pipex.net>,> Dotcom Computers <dotcom@invalid.dot­com-computers.co.uk.­invalid>> wrote:>> Very true, but BMW didn't want to compete with itself, which is why>> many people reckon the Rovers got better once they were out of BMW's>> hands.>
You're joking? The only decent car Rover make is the 75 which was> designed in the BMW era.

What I meant to say was that the 75 got better with bigger engines, better
handling etc etc after the BMW era.


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Dave Plowman 9 April 2005 02:17:34 [ permanent link ]
 In article <s4WdnQVhbpcSYsvfRV­nysA@pipex.net>,
Dotcom Computers <dotcom@invalid.dot­com-computers.co.uk.­invalid> wrote:> > You're joking? The only decent car Rover make is the 75 which was> > designed in the BMW era.
What I meant to say was that the 75 got better with bigger engines,> better handling etc etc after the BMW era.

Eh? The best version uses a BMW diesel.

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