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Post Your Michelin Experience

Stovebolt 4 April 2005 03:04:20
 My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone
Wilderness 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT
285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the
wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer
calibration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think
that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was
more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make
a more informed decision in my purchase.
STOVEBOLT
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Jonathan Race 4 April 2005 06:57:16 permanent link ]
 I ran with Dunlops on both my '88 C1500 shortbed standard cab 350 and my '95
extended cab shortbed with the 6.5L diesel. Great handling but soft
compound (good grip but wore out fast). After Dunlop stopped making the
tire I liked in the size I used, I switched to Goodyear Wrangler GSA's - the
absolute worst tire I ever had on any truck - period. Could not keep them
in balance at all, even after having them balanced multiple times over the
course of one month all at different dealers. I will never buy those tires
again.

After that I purchased a set of Michelin X Radial LT's at Costco and they
drove, handled, and wore better than any tires I ever owned. I put over
40,000 miles on the set I had on the '95 before I sold the truck (and got my
2004 2500HD) and they still looked like new. My wife also has an SUV with
Michelin's on them and after more than 25,000 miles the tread is also still
like new and when I went to have them balanced and rotated the tires needed
very little weight and all had excellently even wear on them (unlike the my
old GSA's which cupped and wore so quickly no matter what I did). The
Michelins also handled very well in wet weather (a big concern for us here
in Central Florida). I can tell you without hesitation that when the stock
tires on my current truck need replacing, I'm going right back to Michelin
no questions asked.

No, I don't work for Michelin.

Cheers - Jonathan

"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message
news:a3t05190srndmq­is4nnqffeeeqekb6e43q­@4ax.com...> My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone> Wilderness 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT> 285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the> wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer> calibration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think> that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was> more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make> a more informed decision in my purchase.> STOVEBOLT


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Martin Riddle 4 April 2005 07:56:01 permanent link ]
 Good tires. Long wearing. I have 66k on mine and they still look great.
They are quiet, handle well in wet weather. Ok in snow, as they are not agressive.

The rubber ages before the tire wears out, mine are 5 years old. And are developing side wall cracks.

No steering issues.

All in all the LTX's are a good investment.

Cheers

"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message news:a3t05190srndmq­is4nnqffeeeqekb6e43q­@4ax.com...> My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone> Wilderness 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT> 285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the> wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer> calibration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think> that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was> more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make> a more informed decision in my purchase.> STOVEBOLT


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Guest 4 April 2005 21:54:02 permanent link ]
 
Martin Riddle wrote:> Good tires. Long wearing. I have 66k on mine and they still look
great.> They are quiet, handle well in wet weather. Ok in snow, as they are
not agressive.>
The rubber ages before the tire wears out, mine are 5 years old. And
are developing side wall cracks.>
No steering issues.>
All in all the LTX's are a good investment.>
Cheers>
"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message
news:a3t05190srndmq­is4nnqffeeeqekb6e43q­@4ax.com...> > My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone> > Wilderness 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT> > 285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the> > wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer> > calibration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think> > that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was> > more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make> > a more informed decision in my purchase.> > STOVEBOLT

I put these tires on my 1990 C-1500, Toyo Proxes S/T---275X60X15 in 9
years and 4 different brands of tires I have never had a better tire,
also much heavier wall and higher tire pressure.You may not want to use
the 60 Series but I enjoy the better ride.About $110 a tire worth every
dollar. Have run Dunlops, Uniroyal,BFG,

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Larry 5 April 2005 10:14:25 permanent link ]
 I just bought my 8th set of michelin's(4 vehicles), I wouldn't buy
anything else. I couldn't wait to wear the tiger paws out on my astro. I
put michelins on it, My wife said it never drove better.

Larry

STOVEBOLT wrote:> My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone> Wilderness 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT> 285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the> wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer> calibration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think> that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was> more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make> a more informed decision in my purchase.> STOVEBOLT

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Stovebolt 6 April 2005 03:30:55 permanent link ]
 Gentelmen,
Thank you very much for the constructive comments. I had Sams to put
the set of Micheline 285s on this afternoon. I am glad that I
replaced the Firestone 265s with the Micheline 285s. The measuring
tape says that both of them are the same width although the Michelins
are one inch taller.
STOVEBOLT (1930s nickname for Chevrolet)

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:04:20 -0400, STOVEBOLT <stovebolt@charter.­net>
wrote:
My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone>Wildernes­s 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT>285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the>wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer>calibra­tion slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think>that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was>more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make>a more informed decision in my purchase.>STOVEBOLT­

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Hairy 6 April 2005 16:22:03 permanent link ]
 
"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message
news:7i76519h0l6a9m­9fkn3qrc73jpgd8rf1hk­@4ax.com...> Gentelmen,> Thank you very much for the constructive comments. I had Sams to put> the set of Micheline 285s on this afternoon. I am glad that I> replaced the Firestone 265s with the Micheline 285s. The measuring> tape says that both of them are the same width although the Michelins> are one inch taller.> STOVEBOLT (1930s nickname for Chevrolet)

If they are no wider, I really don't see the point. What with throwing off
the speedo calibration and the extra trans slippage from having to turn a
taller tire, I don't see the advantage. Not a put down, just my point of
view.
H


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Jonathan Race 6 April 2005 18:10:58 permanent link ]
 Actually, according to the numbers you give the tires aren't the same width.
The 285's are 20mm (about .8 inch) wider at the tread than the 265's. The
telling number is the aspect ratio. For example, if you are running
285/75's then the tread width is 285mm and the sidewall height is 75% of the
tread width (or 214mm). If you are running 285/65's then the sidewall
height is 65% of the tread width (or 179mm).

Another interesting point is that if a new tire is 1" taller than the old
tire, then the height above ground at the center of the axle is only 1/2"
(not taking into account the "squish" at the bottom of the tire).

A lot of things affect steering difficulty - footprint (how much tread is in
contact with the ground), distance between the tires, and rolling
resistance. If you're using the same rims then I don't think any change in
turning difficulty will be very noticable, and you probably won't be
changing your turning radius by more than a foot or two at worst. Also
check with each manufacturer and see how many revolutions per mile each tire
is listed for. The difference will give you some idea just how much your
speedometer will be off. For example, if your old tires are listed at 450
revolutions per mile and the new tires are listed at 475 revolutions per
mile, then your speedo will be off by roughly 5% slower.

One thing that has been mentioned here and elsewhere when changing tire
sizes is now your ABS won't work the same (may activate earlier). That is
one reason why you should consider taking your truck to the dealer and have
him reset your computer to the new tire size after you get them installed.
If they're not busy, it should only take about 15 minutes total and if
you've got a good relationship with them they might not even charge you for
it.

Cheers - Jonathan

"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message
news:7i76519h0l6a9m­9fkn3qrc73jpgd8rf1hk­@4ax.com...> Gentelmen,> Thank you very much for the constructive comments. I had Sams to put> the set of Micheline 285s on this afternoon. I am glad that I> replaced the Firestone 265s with the Micheline 285s. The measuring> tape says that both of them are the same width although the Michelins> are one inch taller.> STOVEBOLT (1930s nickname for Chevrolet)>
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:04:20 -0400, STOVEBOLT <stovebolt@charter.­net>> wrote:>
My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone>>Wilderne­ss 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT>>285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the>>wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer>>calibr­ation slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think>>that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was>>more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make>>a more informed decision in my purchase.>>STOVEBOL­T>


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Bret Chase 7 April 2005 02:36:50 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:10:58 GMT, "Jonathan Race"
<jonrace@earthlink.­com> wrote:
:|­Actually, according to the numbers you give the tires aren't the same width. >:|The 285's are 20mm (about .8 inch) wider at the tread than the 265's. The >:|telling number is the aspect ratio. For example, if you are running >:|285/75's then the tread width is 285mm and the sidewall height is 75% of the >:|tread width (or 214mm). If you are running 285/65's then the sidewall >:|height is 65% of the tread width (or 179mm).

almost, but not quite... the 265/285 is the SECTION width, (i.e. the
width of the tire at it's widest point, usually 1/2 way down the trad
wall), not the tread width. I've seen Dakota A/T tires in the same
size as my BFG AT/KO's and their tread width is much smaller than my
tires.

-Bret
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Autumn 7 April 2005 19:42:45 permanent link ]
 Here's a link so you can all check it out for sure:
http://www.miata.ne­t/garage/tirecalc.ht­ml

Cheers,

Autumn

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:10:58 GMT, "Jonathan Race"
<jonrace@earthlink.­com> wrote:
Actually, according to the numbers you give the tires aren't the same width. >The 285's are 20mm (about .8 inch) wider at the tread than the 265's. The >telling number is the aspect ratio. For example, if you are running >285/75's then the tread width is 285mm and the sidewall height is 75% of the >tread width (or 214mm). If you are running 285/65's then the sidewall >height is 65% of the tread width (or 179mm).>
Another interesting point is that if a new tire is 1" taller than the old >tire, then the height above ground at the center of the axle is only 1/2" >(not taking into account the "squish" at the bottom of the tire).>
A lot of things affect steering difficulty - footprint (how much tread is in >contact with the ground), distance between the tires, and rolling >resistance. If you're using the same rims then I don't think any change in >turning difficulty will be very noticable, and you probably won't be >changing your turning radius by more than a foot or two at worst. Also >check with each manufacturer and see how many revolutions per mile each tire >is listed for. The difference will give you some idea just how much your >speedometer will be off. For example, if your old tires are listed at 450 >revolutions per mile and the new tires are listed at 475 revolutions per >mile, then your speedo will be off by roughly 5% slower.>
One thing that has been mentioned here and elsewhere when changing tire >sizes is now your ABS won't work the same (may activate earlier). That is >one reason why you should consider taking your truck to the dealer and have >him reset your computer to the new tire size after you get them installed. >If they're not busy, it should only take about 15 minutes total and if >you've got a good relationship with them they might not even charge you for >it.>
Cheers - Jonathan>
"STOVEBOLT" <stovebolt@charter.­net> wrote in message >news:7i76519h0l6a9­m9fkn3qrc73jpgd8rf1h­k@4ax.com...>> Gentelmen,>> Thank you very much for the constructive comments. I had Sams to put>> the set of Micheline 285s on this afternoon. I am glad that I>> replaced the Firestone 265s with the Micheline 285s. The measuring>> tape says that both of them are the same width although the Michelins>> are one inch taller.>> STOVEBOLT (1930s nickname for Chevrolet)>>
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:04:20 -0400, STOVEBOLT <stovebolt@charter.­net>>> wrote:>>
My 2000 Short bed Z71 is finally ready to retire the Firestone>>>Wildern­ess 265-75x16 tries. Sams Club has Michelin X LT>>>285-75x16 tires for only $20 more for the set of 4. I know the>>>wider tire will look better and it will alter my speedometer>>>calib­ration slightly(they're 1in. taller). My concern is, I think>>>that I saw a comment on this group that the steering was>>>more difficult. Please share your insight and I will make>>>a more informed decision in my purchase.>>>STOVEBO­LT>>

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TheKiD 8 April 2005 23:47:36 permanent link ]
 http://www.1010tires­.com/tiresizecalcula­tor.asp?action=submi­t

Try this site for speedo changes



"Bret Chase" <nunya@business.net­> wrote in message
news:dto851dfnbrvf9­s3t9k9buvuvnrfrjo9sj­@4ax.com...> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:10:58 GMT, "Jonathan Race"> <jonrace@earthlink.­com> wrote:>
:|­Actually, according to the numbers you give the tires aren't the same >>width.>>:|The 285's are 20mm (about .8 inch) wider at the tread than the 265's. >>The>>:|telling number is the aspect ratio. For example, if you are running>>:|285/75's­ then the tread width is 285mm and the sidewall height is 75% of >>the>>:|tread width (or 214mm). If you are running 285/65's then the sidewall>>:|height is 65% of the tread width (or 179mm).>
almost, but not quite... the 265/285 is the SECTION width, (i.e. the> width of the tire at it's widest point, usually 1/2 way down the trad> wall), not the tread width. I've seen Dakota A/T tires in the same> size as my BFG AT/KO's and their tread width is much smaller than my> tires.>
-Bret


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Mark D 9 April 2005 06:17:25 permanent link ]
 Howdy Stovebolt.
What I've been running on my '97 Tahoe for the last few years are
Michelin XLT 275/70-16 on a Custom OW Chrome 8"x16" 3-spoke rim.
I've been very happy with the tires. they bare giving me good service,
and are a good. all-around tire.

These same tires, and the exact same size were coming factory stock on
late '90's Toyota Landcruisers.

I've never had any rub, and never will. My vehicle is stock ride
height.

One way to recalibrate for custom tire sizes in a jiffy, would be a
Hypertech programmer for the onboard computer (Not cheap though).

With this, you can get a little bit better engine performance/tuning,­
alter redline RPM, alter shift points, and shift firmness, modify the
top speed on the vehicle (Most Chevy SUV's/Trucks are limited to 99MPH)
And also recalibrate speedo for possible future gear changes. Stock
settings can always be reset easily if need be, and they are stored in
the Programmer (Air pollution test, or Dealer Service) Just a thought.
Mark

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