Oh, and before you start the middle-east oil dependency lecture, my 2002> Tahoe burns E-85 (thats 85% Ethanol), so it runs on American corn and only> burns gasoline at the equivalent of 126 MPG.

Cant wait to see faces of SUV drivers when gas prices creep up to $3 a>gallon....tee hee hheeeee heeee haaaa haaaaaa!>Sorry....b­lllrrrpp...heee hee haaa!>

--> HarryS My 2ў> "Essb" <Billy Lincoln> wrote in message> news:113ptfbrhuc3sc­f@corp.supernews.com­...> | Cant wait to see faces of SUV drivers when gas prices creep up to

How many gallons of Diesel fuel did it take to produce that> gallon of corn liquor?>

How many politicians did Archer Daniels Midland bribe to get the> ethanol subsidies needed to make he cost of that corn liquor> competitive?

Well that is like pissing in a fan.

In reply to the how many gallons of diesel fuel it takes to produce a gallon > of ethanol. I am not sure how many gallons they can get from a bushel of > corn, but on my farm, I raise about 195 bushel average per acre and burn 4 > gallons of diesel per acre to get it. I am sure they get several gallons per > bushel, so when you look at it there is no comparison. 4 gallons diesel = > several hundred ethanol.

remember ... the word is troll.>

"HarryS" <NOSPAMharry01@comc­ast.net> wrote in message> news:c56dnUTSpeVmza­DfRVn-qg@comcast.com­...> > Well that is like pissing in a fan.> >

"Essb" <Billy Lincoln> wrote in message> news:113ptfbrhuc3sc­f@corp.supernews.com­...> > Cant wait to see faces of SUV drivers when gas prices creep up to

3) Where are you getting the info on a Suburban lasting "2-3 times longer> than a subcompact"? Considering what crap the Suburban is, and how many

4) Good God! You're making the comparison to a CAVALIER!!?? That's an even> BIGGER piece of s#%& than the Suburban. (not to mention the fact that it's> not a "sub-compact") I dare you to make that comparison to a Toyota

6) You're actually going to compare the longevity of a a Suburban to a> Honda!!? Pleeeaasse!!! Again, this argument is too f%$^ing stupid to> address.

"Kerouac" <brinxxnospam@flash­.net> wrote in message> news­xi%d.22792$hU­7.18244@newssvr33.ne­ws.prodigy.com...>> <lanbldr@yahoo.com>­ wrote in message>> news:113pvg8lbqnmb4­e@corp.supernews.com­...>> > Those of us who own real utility vehicles own them for their safety and>> > ability to move large things, including more people than you can stuff>> > into>> > a Geo Metro. We don't really care what kind of mileage they get. If >> > we>> > did, we wouldn't own them. Given that the average Suburban will last 2> or>> > 3>> > times as long as a subcompact, and cost substantially less to maintain> and>> > repair over its life, the cost is just about even per mile, even at>> > $3/gal.>>

[Snippage: highlights remain]>> 2) You HAVE to be joking about the Suburban being low maintenance!!? Look> at>

The original post was a masterpiece of entertainment. Purely bizarre or> perfect satire! The OP has either never owned anything but GM products or > is> pulling our legs. (Note that this was crossposted to alt.autos.gm).>

-John>

Classic symptoms of inferiority complex.­

Harry is right...its like pissing away your money while still getting> pissed on.>

Yeh...right... thats why you drive them at 80 miles an hour 3 inches off> of someones bumber like a bunch of crazy maniacs, why feeling safe in a> 5000 lb cage, yet endangering other people lives.>

If you have a clue about Freud, you would know that he would align the > inferiority complex with the guy driving the big SUV. As in compensating for > other...aah....shor­tcomings. >

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:08:32 -0500, "Essb" <Billy Lincoln> wrote:>

'Up' to $3? That would be less than half what we pay here in the UK,> while still grinning in our SUVs!>

-->

There's that festering inferiority complex again. ­

"Sigmund Freud" <Freud@sigmund.com>­ wrote in message> news:xuednUi2r4AvJq­DfRVn-qA@rogers.com.­..> >

If you have a clue about Freud, you would know that he would align the> inferiority complex with the guy driving the big SUV. As in compensating for> other...aah....shor­tcomings.

It's called "college"...... >

Yes, a fear for one's life because of other peoples irresponsible driving > habits is a clear link to an "inferiority complex". Do you even read your > posts before you hit the "send" button?? >

1) Extremely few of the people who drive large SUV's actually NEED the> power, and the statistics that support the safety issue completely offset > the "roll-over" issue with SUV's that kill and injure arguably as many > people.

2) You HAVE to be joking about the Suburban being low maintenance!!? Look > at a "Consumer Reports Buyers Guide". There are more black marks in every > catagory than almost every other vehicle in the guide.

3) Where are you getting the info on a Suburban lasting "2-3 times longer > than a subcompact"? Considering what crap the Suburban is, and how many > different makers of subcompacts there are, this is obviously a statement > mede out of bias for your Suburban.

6) You're actually going to compare the longevity of a a Suburban to a > Honda!!? Pleeeaasse!!! Again, this argument is too f%$^ing stupid to > address.

Not bright enough for University? Heh! Heh! Heh!

A University IS a college, genius.>

I find it comical that someone who actually has to type the words "Heh! Heh! > Heh!" (after everything he THINKS is clever) is questioning anyone's > intelligence. >

I doubt that folks that can afford high end SUVs are concerned> about the price of fuel they need to run them.> Those less fortunate may just have to pay more to use the vehicle> they need for their use. My one daughter who has four children> put it very well when she said I either> take the V8 Tahoe where we all need to go or I have to take the> Focus AND the Audi. The two 4cy cars together will use more> gas ;)

<RustyFender@mailci­ty.com> wrote in message> news:423DC6D2.A3636­E6@mailcity.com...> > Me thinks it is more like envy. Same reason the, biggest,> > fanciest or spottiest car is the one that get keyed and not the> > ten year old Ford parked next to it>

You hit on an interesting point. How much of the reason for a vehicles> purchase is attributed to necessity vs. the reason for status, ("keeping

with the Jones'", impressing one's peers, etc). Regardless of the "size"

the vehicle, I think a lot of people like to blur the line between> "necessity" and "luxury.">

mike hunt>

Rooney wrote:

Some people who think of themselves as being responsible simply for> owning a fuel-efficient compact car like a Sentra are fooling themselves> and taking advantage of the efficiency and putting on more miles. In the> end, one's "gallons per year" is more significant with respect to> foreign oil dependency and pollution than the efficiency of one's> vehicle.

The cost of producing ethanol varies with the cost of the >feedstock used and the scale of production. Approximately 85 >percent of ethanol production capacity in the United States >relies on corn feedstock. The cost of producing ethanol from corn >is estimated to be about $1.10 per gallon. Although there is >currently no commercial production of ethanol from cellulosic >feedstocks such as agricultural wastes, grasses and wood, the >estimated production cost using these feedstocks is $1.15 to >$1.43 per gallon.>

Because a gallon of ethanol contains less energy than a gallon of >gasoline, the production cost of ethanol must be multiplied by a >factor of 1.5 to make an energy-cost comparison with gasoline. >This means that if ethanol costs $1.10 per gallon to produce, >then the effective cost per gallon to equal the energy contained >in a gallon of gasoline is $1.65. In contrast, the current >wholesale price of gasoline is about 90 cents per gallon.>

The federal motor fuel excise tax on gasohol, a blended fuel of >10-percent ethanol and 90-percent gasoline, is 5.4 cents less per >gallon than the tax on straight gasoline. In other words, the >federal subsidy is 54 cents per gallon of ethanol when the >ethanol is blended with gasoline. The subsidy makes >ethanol-blended fuel competitive in the marketplace and >stimulates the growth of an ethanol production and distribution >infrastructure.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:08:32 -0500, "Essb" <Billy Lincoln> wrote:>

'Up' to $3? That would be less than half what we pay here in the UK,>while still grinning in our SUVs!

<RustyFender@mailc­ity.com> wrote in message >news:423DC372.94E6­FFD2@mailcity.com...­>>I doubt that folks that can afford high end SUVs are concerned>> about the price of fuel they need to run them.>> Those less fortunate may just have to pay more to use the vehicle>> they need for their use. My one daughter who has four children>> put it very well when she said I either>> take the V8 Tahoe where we all need to go or I have to take the>> Focus AND the Audi. The two 4cy cars together will use more>> gas ;)>>

That's what happened in the 1970's. People that could afford to drive the >large "gas guzzlers" no longer could. So most of those big cars were kept >in the driveway. And one couldn't sell them either since no one wanted >them. >

tee hee hheeeee heeee haaaa haaaaaa blllrrrpp...heee hee haaa... I can't >wait to hit you with my SUV's (2) 1 heaver than the other (4800lbs,5200lbs) >and watch you, maybe I say maybe crawling from the wreckage..tee hee >hheeeee heeee haaaa haaaaaa blllrrrpp...heee hee haaa.>

"Essb" <Billy Lincoln> wrote in message >news:113ptfbrhuc3s­cf@corp.supernews.co­m...>> Cant wait to see faces of SUV drivers when gas prices creep up to $3 >> a>> gallon....tee hee hheeeee heeee haaaa haaaaaa!>> Sorry....blllrrrpp.­..heee hee haaa!

Me thinks it is more like envy. Same reason the, biggest,>fanciest or spottiest car is the one that get keyed and not the>ten year old Ford parked next to it>

mike hunt><snip>

<RustyFender@mailci­ty.com> wrote in message> news:423DC6D2.A3636­E6@mailcity.com...> > Me thinks it is more like envy. Same reason the, biggest,> > fanciest or spottiest car is the one that get keyed and not the> > ten year old Ford parked next to it>

You hit on an interesting point. How much of the reason for a vehicles> purchase is attributed to necessity vs. the reason for status, ("keeping

with the Jones'", impressing one's peers, etc). Regardless of the "size"

the vehicle, I think a lot of people like to blur the line between> "necessity" and "luxury.">

Last point though... you say that you are "better educated", correct> grammer would be that you "recieved a better quality of education"..> And since you refer to us as "you losers", I would ask this,> theoretically of course...> "Who is the greater fool (loser), the fool (loser) or the fool (loser)> who argues with him?">

In article <423DC372.94E6FFD2@­mailcity.com>, RustyFender@mailcit­y.com> wrote:>

Some people who think of themselves as being responsible simply for> owning a fuel-efficient compact car like a Sentra are fooling themselves> and taking advantage of the efficiency and putting on more miles. In the> end, one's "gallons per year" is more significant with respect to> foreign oil dependency and pollution than the efficiency of one's> vehicle.

Although, since you brought it up, you embarrassed yourself by saying > "correct grammer", which of course should have read "correct grammar" and > "recieved" should have been "received". Now what was that comment about > correct grammar? Go to college!>

"Corey Shuman" <cshuman@gmail.com>­ wrote in message> news:1111415101.096­028.108890@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..>

Although, since you brought it up, you embarrassed yourself by saying> "correct grammer", which of course should have read "correct grammar"

mike hunt>

diaphone wrote:>>

You're right, there is no comparison.> From the Oregon department of Energy:>

The cost of producing ethanol varies with the cost of the> feedstock used and the scale of production. Approximately 85> percent of ethanol production capacity in the United States> relies on corn feedstock. The cost of producing ethanol from corn> is estimated to be about $1.10 per gallon. Although there is> currently no commercial production of ethanol from cellulosic> feedstocks such as agricultural wastes, grasses and wood, the> estimated production cost using these feedstocks is $1.15 to> $1.43 per gallon.>

Because a gallon of ethanol contains less energy than a gallon of> gasoline, the production cost of ethanol must be multiplied by a> factor of 1.5 to make an energy-cost comparison with gasoline.> This means that if ethanol costs $1.10 per gallon to produce,> then the effective cost per gallon to equal the energy contained> in a gallon of gasoline is $1.65. In contrast, the current> wholesale price of gasoline is about 90 cents per gallon.>

The federal motor fuel excise tax on gasohol, a blended fuel of> 10-percent ethanol and 90-percent gasoline, is 5.4 cents less per> gallon than the tax on straight gasoline. In other words, the> federal subsidy is 54 cents per gallon of ethanol when the> ethanol is blended with gasoline. The subsidy makes> ethanol-blended fuel competitive in the marketplace and> stimulates the growth of an ethanol production and distribution> infrastructure.

­No need to get so defensive. I'm not "telling you what to drive". My point >:|was from an economical stance. When somebody spends $50,000 on a new SUV for >:|their family of four, living in their $100,000 home, well,..you get my >:|point. Just to reiterate, I'm not "telling" ANYONE what they should or >:|should not drive. I was making a point for conversation.>:|>:|­Have a great week!>:|

­>:|>:|>:|"Hairy"­ <hairy@hotmail.com>­ wrote in message >:|news:3a78guF675t­f5U1@individual.net.­..>:|>>:|> "Kerouac" <brinxxnospam@flash­.net> wrote in message>:|> news:L%j%d.22825$hU­7.14851@newssvr33.ne­ws.prodigy.com...>:|­>>>:|>> <RustyFender@mailci­ty.com> wrote in message>:|>> news:423DC6D2.A3636­E6@mailcity.com...>:­|>> > Me thinks it is more like envy. Same reason the, biggest,>:|>> > fanciest or spottiest car is the one that get keyed and not the>:|>> > ten year old Ford parked next to it>:|>>>:|>> You hit on an interesting point. How much of the reason for a vehicles>:|>> purchase is attributed to necessity vs. the reason for status, ("keeping>:|> up>:|>> with the Jones'", impressing one's peers, etc). Regardless of the "size">:|> of>:|>> the vehicle, I think a lot of people like to blur the line between>:|>> "necessity" and "luxury.">:|>>>:|>>­>:|>>:|> You seem to have a very communistic point of view, where people should not>:|> want or have more than they "need". Fortunately, in this country(USA), we>:|> are allowed (even encouraged) to live the American dream and buy whatever >:|> we>:|> can afford that pleases us. I, for one, don't need you or anyone else to>:|> tell me what type of vehicle I should be driving.>:|> On the other hand, if you wish to buy my vehicles for me, I might>:|> reconsider.>:|> H>:|>>:|> >:|

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:19:28 GMT, "Kerouac" <brinxxnospam@flash­.net>>wrote:>

-Bret><snip>

Cant wait to see faces of SUV drivers when gas prices creep up to $3 a>gallon....tee hee hheeeee heeee haaaa haaaaaa!>Sorry....b­lllrrrpp...heee hee haaa!>

­On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:05:14 -0500, Bret Chase <nunya@business.net­>>:|wrote:>:|>:|>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:19:28 GMT, "Kerouac" <brinxxnospam@flash­.net>>:|>wrote:>:|>>­­>>:|No need to get so defensive. I'm not "telling you what to drive". My point >:|>>:|was from an economical stance. When somebody spends $50,000 on a new SUV for >:|>>:|their family of four, living in their $100,000 home, well,..you get my >:|>>:|point. Just to reiterate, I'm not "telling" ANYONE what they should or >:|>>:|should not drive. I was making a point for conversation.>:|>>:­|>:|>>:|Have a great week!>:|>>:|>:|> man I'd like to find a $100k house for sale... the AVERAGE in my area>:|>is almost $275,000. I don't hold out much hope for owning a house>:|>anymore.>:­|>>:|>-Bret>:|><snip­>>:|$275,000? I think you're talking about an older area,

­>:|It's possible to get a house under 100K.. Think Detroit, Buffalo, The>:|Yukon, etc.

­Save your pennies, when the interest rates come up the house prices>:|will drop back down (rather quickly) in every area. Think 1990-1993

Obviously, using the Honda once a week would be the best scenario. One> gallon of> fuel. Essentially what I do. Use my Civic for short trips and save my> Yukon for> trips.