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Front diff, locker or limited slip?
Asdf 15 February 2005 19:39:35
	Time to upgrade the front diff. Any stories? What experience have people had with a full locker in the front differential? -- Vic
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Guest 15 February 2005 20:47:25 [ permanent link ]
	It depends what vehicle and what purpose... A front locker makes steering pretty hard and can more or less be only used when needed on rock climbs and mud .. A slip is more driveable but will only give you some traction to the other wheel .. If going for the locker make sure your axles will hold up to it. if you have an IFS toyota they will not . I have such truck and use a TrueTrack in front. Matt
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Chuck Bremer 15 February 2005 22:57:37 [ permanent link ]
	you could have the best of both worlds with a selectable locker such as an ARB or OX locker (fully locked when you need them, open when you don't) "asdf" <asdf@see.below.com.net.org.invalid> wrote in message news:cut53n$gt4$0@pita.alt.net...> Time to upgrade the front diff. Any stories? What experience> have people had with a full locker in the front differential?> -- Vic>
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Erik-Jan Geniets 16 February 2005 00:44:12 [ permanent link ]
	Chuck Bremer wrote:> you could have the best of both worlds with a selectable locker such as an> ARB or OX locker (fully locked when you need them, open when you don't) I suppose all lockers have this option. Otherwise the car will be impossible to drive/steer on more solid ground. And on tarmac the car will fall apart..... Kind regards, Erik-Jan.
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Mike Romain 16 February 2005 01:19:07 [ permanent link ]
	Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:> Chuck Bremer wrote:> > you could have the best of both worlds with a selectable locker such as an> > ARB or OX locker (fully locked when you need them, open when you don't)> I suppose all lockers have this option.> Otherwise the car will be impossible to drive/steer on more solid> ground.> And on tarmac the car will fall apart.....> Kind regards,> Erik-Jan. No, very few lockers are manual. Most are just on so unless you can unlock your front hubs, you don't want one in front. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Guest 16 February 2005 01:52:18 [ permanent link ]
	We have to distingiush between: - Spool/Welded Diff - Automatic Locker (not talking about slips here) - Manual Locker Listed in the order driveability . Matt
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Marc Sebens 16 February 2005 02:58:41 [ permanent link ]
	Reverse order of driveability, that is <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:1108504338.707787.21790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> We have to distingiush between:> - Spool/Welded Diff> - Automatic Locker (not talking about slips here)> - Manual Locker> Listed in the order driveability .> Matt>
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Erik-Jan Geniets 16 February 2005 03:42:29 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Romain wrote: No, very few lockers are manual. Most are just on so unless you can> unlock your front hubs, you don't want one in front. Yeah, sure. In that case it is possible. Was only thinking about air lockers. Kind regards, Erik-Jan.
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Rocknbronco 16 February 2005 07:54:52 [ permanent link ]
	I belive that the best option for your rig would be to get a locker that works as a limited slip while not locked.Your front end will last longer and you have the option of steering if need be and not blowing your front suspention on one smooth scoop.I have know people who have either welded or locked the front ends and due to lack of steering they hit trees rocks and other objects that they could steer away from and then break steering components. mc
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Jeff Olsen 16 February 2005 08:58:03 [ permanent link ]
	in article cut53n$gt4$0@pita.alt.net, asdf at asdf@see.below.com.net.org.invalid wrote on 2/15/05 7:39 AM: Time to upgrade the front diff. Any stories? What experience> have people had with a full locker in the front differential?> -- Vic I had the guy put a True-Trak gear-driven limited slip in my front diff when he regeared my TJ (Wrangler)... I never even notice it other than a lot more grab up front when I'm wheeling. OTOH, my Jeep SUCKED on ice up at elk camp last year but I think that was the MT/R's as much as anything. -jeff
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Asdf 16 February 2005 18:24:55 [ permanent link ]
	Wow! Great input. I have to start asking more questions here. The truck is a 1971 Chevy K20, manual 4-speed, manual hubs. I drive to Tahoe a lot so snow/ice is a big concern. I have heard bad stories about lockers on slippery streets. So the options seem to be either limited slip on both or something like OX or Truetrac Electrac. Eaton alos now has an electric locker. Those lockers are both around a $1,000 though. I was leaning towards limited slip, but wanted a more aggressive for off road. what if I put limited slip in back, put a Detroit locker in front where I can unlock the hubs? Another thought, if my transfer case is manual, I could even have the Detroit up front with the hubs locked if I was in 2-hi. -- Vic
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Mad Dog 16 February 2005 20:50:41 [ permanent link ]
	i agree that that a front locker really dependes on the application..... in the gooey stuff it rocks, but on the tight trails it bites. My particular setup is very versatile in that i am running a NP205 transfer into a full spool with manual locking hubs. I can unlock 1 side independent of the other choosing from 2,3 or 4wd..... pretty slick setup. -- Mad-Dog '79 Chevy K-10 Slightly modified http://mad-dog16.tripod.com/ -- "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4212674B.7797572@sympatico.ca...> Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:>> Chuck Bremer wrote:>> > you could have the best of both worlds with a selectable locker such as >> > an>> > ARB or OX locker (fully locked when you need them, open when you don't)>> I suppose all lockers have this option.>> Otherwise the car will be impossible to drive/steer on more solid>> ground.>> And on tarmac the car will fall apart.....>> Kind regards,>> Erik-Jan.> No, very few lockers are manual. Most are just on so unless you can> unlock your front hubs, you don't want one in front.> Mike> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Erik-Jan Geniets 17 February 2005 04:04:55 [ permanent link ]
	Spud Demon wrote: Not sure about this but I think that would lock the 2 front wheels to the> same RPM, making turning difficult/damaging, even though they weren't being> powered by the engine. In snow/ice circumstances it will even damage the whole car. Whatever you do.... it will follow a straight line (theorethicaly). Anyway, it will go wherever it wants to go and you can't do anything about it. Kind regards, Erik-Jan.
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Mike Romain 17 February 2005 04:08:22 [ permanent link ]
	Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:> Spud Demon wrote:> Not sure about this but I think that would lock the 2 front wheels to the> > same RPM, making turning difficult/damaging, even though they weren't being> > powered by the engine.> In snow/ice circumstances it will even damage the whole car.> Whatever you do.... it will follow a straight line (theorethicaly).> Anyway, it will go wherever it wants to go and you can't do anything> about it.> Kind regards,> Erik-Jan. I sure will, even a part time 4x4 system can cause that on a turn because the rear and front axle are locked together so one front tire has to scuff on a turn. If there is heavy snow/slush down or if you have wide tires, this scuff can get you up on top so you just go straight. When I am in that kind of snow, I drop to 2 WD as I take the corner and go back to 4x4 once straight again. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Asdf 17 February 2005 04:39:07 [ permanent link ]
	So, front end will either be a limited slip, or one of those manual lockers I can turn on and off from inside the cab. I'll put a regular locker in the rear. -- Vic
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